Hollywood Jr. | Episode 3: RENAISSANCE: A FILM BY BEYONCÉ (and Many Others!) Plus our Timed Top 5s of 2023!
We're taking an in-depth behind the scenes of RENAISSANCE: A FILM BY BEYONCÉ and O'Neil talks briefly about his time working at Parkwood Entertainment. Then we get into our Timed Top 5s of 2023 - where we allot 15 seconds for #5, 30 for #4, 1 minute for #3, and so on.
BUT FIRST!
We crack into the 2024 Golden Globes Nominations and the snubs and successes and strange new categories they've created.
Also, we have the numbers! We take a look into the total hours watched on Netflix and what that means for streaming in general.
O'Neil's Top 5:
1. Spiderman Across The Spiderverse
2. Killers of The Flower Moon
3. The Barbie Movie
4. American Fiction
5. Jujutsu Kaisen Season 2
Olivia's Top 5:
1. Unreal Unearth by Hozier
2. The Last of Us Season 1 / HBO's The Last of Us Podcast
3. The Barbie Movie
4. The Legend of Vox Machina
5. Spiderman Across The Spiderverse
Tyler's Top 5:
1. The Bear Season 2
2. The Killer by David Fincher
3. How To Blow Up a Pipeline
4. May December
5. Spiderman Across The Spiderverse
Honorable Mentions:
Brotato, Vampire Survivors, Baulders Gate, Dungeons and Dragons: Honor Amongst Thieves, The Boy and the Heron, Oppenheimer, Reality Film, Past Lives, SP Nation, The Bob Emergency, Mr. Morale & The Big Steppers, The Holdovers, The Birth of Olivia's nephew, Planet of The Base, Ninja Sex Party, The Game Grumps, Trying Every Kit-Kat Flavor We Could Find, Bottoms, Suit or Armor webcomic, Scavengers Reign.
Dishonorable Mentions:
Legends of Zelda Tears of the Kingdom, Saltburn, Poor Things.
The following Transcripts are a.I. generated and their accuracy cannot be 100% confirmed.
O'Neil: Live from beautiful Los Angeles, California, and Boston, Massachusetts, comes the only
movie review Podcast that's not afraid to say, I, am that girl. It's Hollywood Junior. I'm your
alien superstar, O'Neil Henry.
Tyler: I'm Roger Ebert's chosen successor, Tyler J. Cacara.
Olivia: I'm Olivia Fumiatti. Step on me, mommy.
O'Neil: Today we have an exciting look behind the scenes into Renaissance, a film by Beyonce. And a
lot of other people, too, including yours truly. I was just an assistant at her, but I will lend a
little bit of insight into my time at Parkwood entertainment, not breaking any NDAs. And then we'll
be breaking down our top fives of the year. That would be movies, games, tv shows, books. We're
doing it all, baby. But first, the 2024
Golden Globe nominations have come, out.
Tyler: Do these even matter, though?
Olivia: No. Jesus. Oh. Do we still hate the Golden Globes?
Tyler: It's an entirely different voting block. So this is theseus awards show.
O'Neil: It's not the Hollywood Foreign Press association.
Olivia: Theseus awards show you.
Tyler: If all the voting block changes and they add new categories. I don't know, it's just a
random conglomerate.
O'Neil: Even the same awards anymore. That's fair.
Tyler: Yeah, I don't know.
Olivia: Some of these. I'm like, yes, but some of these are also like, oh, they had no other
choice. Cause it was the only thing that came out in that category.
O'Neil: There's some highlights from these nominations. no musicals in musical or comedy this year,
which is, a little bit strange, I would think, especially. Cause this was the year of the secret
musical with Wonka and Hunger Game and the Marvels. That's right. The Marvels, too.
Olivia: I mean, I think it was also the year of the, like, concert movie.
O'Neil: That's true.
Tyler: Yeah.
O'Neil: With, the film that we will be talking about today and the Arrows tour, may December.
Tyler: Being in comedy is a nightmare. That's a nightmare. And bad.
O'Neil: That's a scary, scary sort of take. But, yeah, we also have, a lot of love for poor things.
And not to spoil Tyler's roundup, but, Tyler didn't seem to really love it. But it's getting a lot
of noms.
O'Neil: In the Golden Globes.
Tyler: Mid as fuck, in my generation's parlance. Gen Z is going to really like this movie. I'm
going to be honest with you. Gen Z is going to really like this movie because kids haven't seen
anything yet. This is a movie for people who haven't. Is Portland's a movie for people who haven't
seen a lot of movies and think that that's high art, you know?
Does that make sense?
Olivia: Nice. I still can't believe I haven't even fucking seen Wonka and Timothee Chalabay is
already nominated for a Golden Globe for it.
O'Neil: Yeah.
Tyler: Oh, he is?
O'Neil: Yeah.
O'Neil: Which is strange.
Olivia: yeah. He's one of the best, performance in a musical or comedy.
Tyler: Do you think they picked him to play Willie because his first name is Timmy?
Olivia: No, here's the fucking thing. They picked him because the director saw videos of him doing
the musicals in his high school.
O'Neil: Yeah. I remember hearing about this. More on the golden gold nominations. No nominations
for the Color purple even though there are actor nominations for the color purple. Oh, yeah.
Tyler: I was about to say best actor.
O'Neil: I'm just chalking this one up too. Speculation.
Tyler: I'm just, I'm trying to speculation. I will.
O'Neil: I think they needed some pocs.
Tyler: And it is the only not white woman in best performance. Yeah. Yeah.
O'Neil: And then selective outrage being nominated and probably the likely winner for best stand up
means Chris Rock gets to take more shots at Will Smith ? do you know how you feel about this is
the Golden Globes
O'Neil: Let's just say this,
O'Neil: the Golden Globes show going to be the best golden Globes it's ever had. It's going to have
Taylor.
Tyler: We know who's hosting.
Olivia: If they hire us to write it. I mean.
Tyler: I would take that job so fast. I wouldn't take the Oscars job. I would take the Golden
Globes jobs instantly hit us up at Golden Globes.
O'Neil: Let us write your, please, three best original song nominations for Barbie.
Tyler: That's insane. Looking like it's had survived. I can remember one, one from Barbie and I
like Barbie.
O'Neil: No, there's three great ones. Tyler. Think about it. Just think about it for a half second.
Tyler.
Tyler: There's, I'm just Ken.
O'Neil: I'm just Ken.
Olivia: Huh?
O'Neil: Tyler, name off the top of your head.
Olivia: Dance the night.
Tyler: Does the song they're dancing to actually count, though? That's just a generic dance song.
Is that song actually good or is it just in a good movie?
O'Neil: Dance the night away?
Tyler: Yeah.
Olivia: Dance of the night. Yeah, no, it's a good song.
O'Neil: I would give it that. That's a good, it's a good disco throwback. And then. Come on, Tyler,
there's one more dua lipa.
Tyler: it's Jack black singing peaches. Why wasn't Jack black in Barbie? Jack black should have
been in Barbie.
O'Neil: Jack black should have been in Barbara.
Tyler: This ken was in tenacious d.
O'Neil: No, the other two songs from the top of my head would be, the. What was it? The, opening
song, when I wake up.
Olivia: Oh, pink.
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O'Neil: Pink. Sorry. Pink song. And then, the last one, the ending song, the spy, what's her name.
Tyler: What was I made for? That's what's nominated.
O'Neil: What was I made for? Thank you.
Olivia: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's what's nominated. Yeah, so it's. What was I made for? I'm just
Kenneth dancing tonight. And then we have a Bruce Springsteen song.
O'Neil: And then the last one is Peaches, the Super Mario Brothers song. I do hope it wins just for
the meme of it. All right, the thing we're dancing around for the Golden Globes song is the new
category for cinematic and box office achievement.
Olivia: As if we couldn't get to a more capitalistic state in the film industry. As if we weren't
already beating the shit out of every single movie that comes out in theaters for more and more
money.
Tyler: Fuck the mid.
Olivia: Hey, fuck the mid budget production. We're going big or we're going indie and there's no in
between. Fuck you. Give us money at the box office. Money, please.
O'Neil: More money.
Olivia: That's what that category is saying. That's what it says to me directly, actually. It woke
me up in the middle of the night and it shook me awake and said, money. Money. And that's. Yeah,
that's how I found out about. About this category.
Tyler: So in the movie Podcast, the Rewatchables, they have a category for an award called the
action is the juice award, which is, named after a line from heat where they're like, why do you do
this? What's the juice? And he's like, the action is the juice. And it's like, the best line ever
in this category should be called the money is the juice award.
This is like, we're gonna be about the money all along. The money is the award. The
money is the juice. The money. Your award for making a lot of money is having a lot of money you
don't get deserve an award.
O'Neil: Okay, but some notable things about this. These are not the highest earning money, the
highest earning films of the year. not even close.
Tyler: It's the most successful marketing campaigns. Basically. It's almost a marketing award,
which would actually be interesting.
O'Neil: Yes, but no, because, again, one of the nominations is mission impossible, dead reckoning,
part one, which was considered a campaign failure. So what is.
Tyler: Oh, it's because they're like, oh, we need to get Tom Cruise here. Then you. It's the award.
Is Tom needs to be. The award is.
O'Neil: Ah.
Tyler: We need to make sure Keanu Reeves, Tom Cruise and Taylor Swift are here. That's what this
award is.
O'Neil: Exactly. This is not box office achievement award. This is pop Culture award is the best
way I could put this. This is not about cinematic or box office achievement at all.
Olivia: This is the who we can get out in the guest list category.
O'Neil: Exactly.
Olivia: Yeah.
O'Neil: Cause maybe your movie will win.
Tyler: Now.
O'Neil: I don't know why guardians of the Galaxy, volume three is nominated. It was a good filler.
Tyler: Who do you think is gonna win?
O'Neil: Barbie.
Olivia: It's gotta be Barbie.
Tyler: If Taylor's there, Taylor's gonna win, right? That's.
Olivia: It's gotta be Barbie, dude.
Tyler: No, it's gotta be Taylor.
O'Neil: You think so?
Tyler: If Taylor is there, that's the thing. If Taylor's not there, it's gonna be Barbie. If Taylor
is there, it is gonna be Taylor.
O'Neil: If they.
Olivia: Yes, I will concede that if Taylor Swift is at the ceremony, which she doesn't go to a lot
of ceremonies, but I will say that if it's not Taylor, it is Barbie Tyler.
O'Neil: I don't know how you think award shows work, where it's somebody looking out. Somebody with
a fucking Sharpie and a fucking note card looking out into the audience, oh, Taylor's there. Let's
write that.
Tyler: She will say whether she's coming before she's not.
Olivia: If she has a significant chance of winning, she will show up. Yeah, yeah.
Tyler: if they go to her and be like, hey, Taylor, if you show.
O'Neil: Up, I don't have a lot of.
Tyler: Cooking the books on this one. I'm telling you, if Taylor. Taylor, like, that's how, you
know, is if Taylor's there, she's gonna win. If she's not there, then she's not gonna win.
Olivia: This whole category is putting the entire library in the oven. That's how cooked these
books are. Dude, the library's in the oven.
O'Neil: You guys have much less faith, in it than I do. Speaking of cooking books, Netflix has
dropped the numbers. Netflix has released their statistics for the last six months of hours view.
And I just wanted to go over the top ten with you because I haven't heard of most of these, and I
want to know, like, what you guys take on being released. So, just going over the top ten for. For
Netflix for the past six months. Again, this was just the
past six months. So this isn't, you know, by, like, most viewed overall, all that stuff. there was
a great episode of the Town with Matt Bellany. Where they interviewed Ted Sarandos, the co CEO of
Netflix, where he talked about, you know, squid game is still their.
Tyler: Most viewed and ruining cinema.
O'Neil: it's actually all ten shows. Is the other thing about this? Because it is. It's reviewed
just by pure numbers. It's gonna be shows. So we have number one, the night agent. Has anybody
heard of this?
Olivia: No.
Tyler: I've seen it advertised on Netflix, but it's just. It makes sense, though. It's just their
version of NCIS. This is my entire theory. We live in a weird little bubble where outside the
bubble, people just watch stuff for no reason. And if you advertise it to them, they'll probably
go, let me go through.
O'Neil: Let me finish going through the list.
Olivia: Yeah, let's go through. Yes, let's go through the list.
O'Neil: Let's finish going through the list, and then you can give us your hot takes.
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Olivia: I was gonna say number seven.
O'Neil: Jenny and George is season two again.
Tyler: My mom was watching that show when I was home, so I've seen parts of it. It's just.
O'Neil: Okay, great.
Tyler: It's just a fucking show. It's a show where stuff happens. Continue.
O'Neil: the glory, season one. Now, I believe this might be a. That looks like korean show. Korean,
maybe.
Olivia: Yes, it looks korean.
O'Neil: Wednesday, season one. Now, I have seen a couple of.
Tyler: The first big ones watch it with my first real.
O'Neil: First real team, Queen Charlotte. A Bridgerton story. No, I've also seen this.
Olivia: Do you kind of want to see it? I don't know. I haven't decided.
Tyler: Well, their whole Bridgerton franchise. That makes sense to me.
Olivia: Yeah.
O'Neil: Bridgerton franchise is one of their flagships.
Tyler: you, season four, that shows pretty big. You is a pretty big.
O'Neil: I've not actually seen you, but I heard.
Tyler: I've not seen it, but I know that it is a thing.
O'Neil: La reina desur.
Tyler: The queen.
O'Neil: no idea.
Tyler: There is a whole Netflix market for foreign projects that people watch overseas that has to
make them so much money.
O'Neil: Yes. These are the international numbers.
Olivia: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Tyler: What was that? The spanish heist tv show that did very well for them for a long time. I
cannot remember for the life of me.
O'Neil: Oh, the one with the map.
Tyler: I put this in.
O'Neil: Yes. Money.
Tyler: He put this in the same cat. Money. Heist. Money. Heist.
O'Neil: Moneyball.
Tyler: Moneyball. Moneyball. Brad Pitt. Everyone just sat. Remember the year everyone just sat.
Moneyball year.
O'Neil: The last few outer bank. Season three, Ginny and Georgia, season one. Does that make Ginny
and Georgia their most watched show?
Olivia: Yeah.
O'Neil: Crazy. I've not seen this show, guys.
Olivia: No, but that's the thing.
Tyler: If you look at the actual numbers, the night agent is ahead by an absurd amount of hours.
Like, it's ahead of, like, 300 hours.
O'Neil: It's kind of crazy.
Tyler: 300 million hour or something like that.
Olivia: Okay.
O'Neil: Yeah, 200,000. but, yeah, crazy. And then fubar and manifest season four. So, yeah, a lot
of shows that we don't have a lot of relationships.
Olivia: With watching things to just. Yeah, like, I'm not, like, wowed by any. Like, I haven't
heard of any of these having, like, significant acclaim. I don't know.
Tyler: I mean, but that's what it comes down to, is prestige tv is not the most watched tv. It's.
It's not.
Olivia: That's fair.
Tyler: You know?
Olivia: Yeah, whatever appeals to the.
O'Neil: Yes. But also, to be fair, the biggest hits of 2023 haven't really been on Netflix. If you
look back on 2023, we have the last of us. We have the bear. These are shows that aren't on
Netflix. True session. Exactly. the biggest phenomenon, so to speak, was suits. which. Let me do a
quick search here.
Tyler: That happened because it was on Netflix.
Olivia: Suits is on Netflix.
O'Neil: that's number 70.
Tyler: Also, shout out to my bet from shout out to my dad and my cousin Rob. Really love both of
them. Really love suits, and so does everybody else. My wife, Claire, shout out to the suits. I've
collectively seen, like, 30 episodes of suits just in the background of my life.
Olivia: There you go.
O'Neil: What do we think, overall, this means for Netflix, for the streaming world? Is this good?
Is this bad?
Olivia: I think, unfortunately, where we are? Well, I don't know if this is unfortunate or not,
but. So Netflix is still trying to. Again, they've just changed their model again. They now are
offering ads. They, are basically banking on everyone still having Netflix, despite their, like,
new sign in bullshit. and I think they're just making tv as, like. Like, fodder. Like, it's just.
It's just filler, I think, is what they're doing. I don't think they're going to try anything new.
Like, you know, I don't think they're going to be, like, blowing us away with a Netflix original.
O'Neil: So you think?
Olivia: I think it's going to be. I think Netflix is going to become, like, the new reality tv.
Like, that's going to kind of have.
Tyler: A similar, like, what was the last great Netflix show? Squid game.
O'Neil: Squid game.
Olivia: But, like, here's the thing. The last, like, with squid game or, like, Tiger King and,
like, stuff like that. So that's, stranger things might be, but, like. But, like. Like, stranger
things, I think, is, like, an exception. But it has also been, like, marketed and beat to hell.
Like, it. Like, they're just. Was it mind hunter milking it? So I think that Netflix is gonna start
tanking in terms of reputation, and that's gonna give the other streamers more
room to be like, oh, well, Netflix is phoning it in now. Why are we gonna try?
O'Neil: Interesting take.
Olivia: so unless Netflix is starting to really bring in insane licenses and be able to bring in
the biggest movies of the year streaming, but I don't think they're doing it at a level that is
enough of a draw for me. I personally almost never watch Netflix. Like, I am not regularly on the
platform. I would rather be on Max or I would rather be on Hulu or, like, even, like, independent
releases. I would rather do.
O'Neil: For new releases or just in general, for anything.
Olivia: Like, I'm not necessarily here for the Netflix original. I'm like, you know, if I go to
Netflix because I know a movie that I like is there, but I'm not actively seeking out anything that
they're making unless someone is like, this is the best thing I've ever seen. You have to watch it.
It's going to be part of the cultural zeitgeist. I don't. And, like, I'm not even watching stuff
because it's part of the zeitgeist.
Tyler: But I'm.
Olivia: I'm. But I
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Olivia: don't get that as much anymore with Netflix.
Tyler: It's funny that their prestige angle has flipped, right? Cause for a long time, the
Netflix original was like, they were trying to go after HBO, and they're making, you know, stranger
things and House of cards, you know, Mindhunter, they signed David Fincher to that huge deal, and
it's flipped where their original movies are going for that prestige angle much more than their tv
shows are now. I mean, just this year, Netflix has may December, Maestro. there's one more that I'm
completely blanking on. That's a Netflix movie, the killer. I mean, that's three pretty heavy
hitters. Not that I think the killer is going to have a ton of awards buzz, but those other two
definitely are. Yeah, I think that's how the industry is flipping in general now. You know, in ten
years, it'll probably swing back the other way.
O'Neil: Yeah.
Tyler: But, back to tv. For me, I think if the suits phenomenon and all of these shows being the
top ten show, anything, is that people want easy stuff for tv. If you're going to have something on
for 40 hours or whatever, it needs to be something that they're comfortable putting on. And that's
what these shows are for the most part.
O'Neil: No big changes and twists that you didn't need to pay.
Tyler: Yeah. I love succession and I love the bear. And I, you know, I love. I have not seen the
last of us, but, no one's gonna put the. Let me just fucking turn on the bear. That one episode in
season one where it's a oner and Carmi yells at everyone in the kitchen, like, that's that. Oh,
man, that's comfort food for me. Like, it doesn't exist. You know, people aren't gonna turn that on
for this much hour versus the night agent. You can. It's folding laundry tv. And I think that's
what people generally.
Olivia: Putting on, like reacher and just letting it go on Amazon.
Tyler: Yeah, people just want. I think people just want background noise at times.
Olivia: Yeah.
O'Neil: I will also say, just for. Just for speculation, for the numbers before I go into my
broader take on Netflix. And then we got to move on to the renaissance. But, I think that
obviously, the top ten is going to be tv, right?
Olivia: Yeah.
O'Neil: I think it has been a weak ish year for tv, but a really strong year for movies. And I
think we might see a flip coming. You know, it depends on. Especially now that the strikes have
settled, we're going to probably see, tv budgets shrinking back down to what they.
Tyler: No more lord of the rings from Amazon.
Olivia: Yeah, no, you're not gonna get rings of power.
Tyler: I was actually listening real fast. I was listening. Before we move on to Renaissance, I was
listening to an interview with the director of, american fiction, Cord Jefferson. And he came from
tv and he was talking about how he thinks the problem with tv now is that everything has a major
star attached when the. And these budgets balloon out of proportion because of that. Whereas, like,
when you look at, like, early, like, when you ask people, like, what the best tv shows of all time
are, mad men, you know, sopranos, stuff like that. Those are mostly b lists and unknown actors
heading into that. and it kept production costs down and allowed them to kind of do whatever
they want, which I thought was really a really interesting take. so I think that's kind of what
we're leaning back into.
O'Neil: Exploration.
Olivia: Yeah.
O'Neil: Yeah. And then just the last take on this, I think Netflix releasing this numbers as a
power play, in my opinion. I think Netflix is saying nut up or shut up. And then it's really going
to start tanking. The other streaming companies. Disney particularly, has had a really bad year.
And if their hand is forced to show their Disney plus numbers, I think it's going to really tank
some of them. And then stock prices go down, license costs go down. Netflix keeps on growing their
library. I could definitely see a way in which this is as a play to get Netflix to become the
streamer, besides your apple and your Amazon. Cause they have unlimited money and they can do
whatever the fuck they want. but, yeah, Netflix is the top streamer. And so they're fucking.
They're putting their dick on the table, so to speak.
Tyler: Again, real fast. I will say, I have a prediction for the next. In the next three years,
we're going to see multiple streaming services fold and fold into other ones. And we're just going
to have cable again, but you can pay to not have ads. It's cable, but we're gonna have cable. But
you can pay to not have ads. And you can watch what you want when you want cable, but no ads. you
know, MGM, paramount plus, what.
Olivia: Sucks about, like, a lot of that's all gone. Yeah. A lot of that's gonna merge. I mean,
like, discovery plus.
Tyler: They already merged HBO, Max and Warner brothers just sold all of the DC properties to
Netflix. So you can watch the Batman on Netflix now.
O'Neil: Yep. Licensed.
Tyler: Oh, yeah, license, yes. Sold the licensing rights.
O'Neil: All right, we're transitioning off of this. This is getting real heady. guys, it's time.
Olivia: Welcome to the hill.
Tyler: Let's talk about the reason we haven't been consistently posting this podcast in the last
six months.
O'Neil: Yeah.
Olivia: Let'S talk about the walking scheduling error.
O'Neil: Yeah, yeah. For the past, let's say, six to twelve months, my life
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O'Neil: has been consumed with this fucking tour and documentary. to talk about it a little bit,
again, disclaimer. I won't be breaking my NDA for you listening. And all information I will be
sharing will be publicly available. and I have links and sources for those. But, yeah, for the past
year, I guess, I've been working at Parkwood. I have been consumed, especially the past two months,
with this documentary. just as an overview
for this, again, I'm not sharing any details that aren't publicly available. The renaissance world
tour ended October 1 in Kansas city, Missouri. I was there. and then the documentary premiered
November 28 for, like, the red carpet, and then December 1, wide release.
Olivia: So there's a two month turnaround time.
O'Neil: If you do the math. That does leave you two months. I'm not commenting on what the actual
workflow was there, but, yeah, it was a heavy lift for a good product.
O'Neil: I would say overall,
Olivia: Yeah, I would say yes.
O'Neil: Before we dive into the actual renaissance, let's talk about viewing experience. Tyler, you
want to start us off? You want to kick us off with your viewing experience?
Tyler: My view. You want to. You're going to ask me to describe, something we watched together. we
saw it yesterday. we had. Listen, I would have seen it earlier, but I work at night and, they don't
play this movie before 03:00 p.m. until this weekend. so, yeah, we went and saw it in a mostly
empty theater. I was a little upset when the two random guys walked in. I was like, oh, man, I
wanted to talk to O'Neil throughout the.
Throughout this movie, but we couldn't. Ended up being. Yeah, four. Ended up being four people.
But, it's also like three weeks after the movie opened.
O'Neil: So they were yucking it up, though, I'll tell you.
Tyler: Yeah, they were having a good ass time. They were very good time. And, you know, I was
vibing with it, too. I am not the world's biggest Beyonce person. I respect our, our, queen. But
listen, that's, you know, if I was describing not Tyler core, it would probably be Beyonce, you
know.
O'Neil: Heard any of these songs before.
Tyler: That's not true. I've heard a lot of her songs. I, you know, how many songs are in
Renaissance album? Yeah, I've heard you won't break my soul. I've heard that one.
O'Neil: Yeah, that's fair. That was the single that dropped in those.
Tyler: I knew six or seven of the songs.
Olivia: A couple of them I didn't realize were hers. And I was like, oh, yeah, there.
Tyler: Was one where I was like, oh, okay, let's be honest. I know that one.
Olivia: I knew a good.
Tyler: Yeah, I knew, I knew, yeah, six, seven, maybe eight.
Olivia: I knew more than I thought.
O'Neil: I was going, to Liver. What was your experience like?
Olivia: Yeah, so I went, I Saw the last showing last night at 930. I didn't get home until
two.
O'Neil: Long movie. This one is. Let's preface that.
Olivia: Yes. I kind of put in a shift at the theater. So I went by myself with my little notepad,
which I have here, and we will talk about what I have. Just tap it in the little notebook. so it
was me. There were eight people in the theater. I was one of eight people. unfortunately, the
people who were sitting behind me there were three of them, and they sang through the movie. And,
like, at first, I was, like, kind of pissed off. I was like, shut the fuck up. Like, I'm here to
watch a movie. But then by the end, I was.
O'Neil: Like, yeah, it's the vibe.
Olivia: It's a concert. So, like, they seem to be having a good time. And I stopped, like, looking
over my shoulder, be like, do you mind? Like, I didn't say anything. Obviously, I'm not an asshole,
but, yeah, so I went and saw it regular digital, and again, I went in with, like, very, very few
expectations. Every time I go see a movie, I write down what my expectations are before the movie
starts. And it is really interesting because there is something in the movie that, like, she
literally said one of my expectations that I was like, it was really cool, I'll tell you, telling
you what that one was, but I know very few of the songs as the first note. And then, one of the
things that I was hoping to see was learning about the production of the actual tour, which I got,
was very satisfied with that. And I was like, I hope to be impressed with very few actual
expectations. And I was. I was blown away. I really was. And, like, I've never seen a concert
movie. I'm not a huge Beyonce fan. Like, I know of her, obviously, because I exist in the world,
but, like, the actual production and, like, I'm m just saying, if I had seen this live, I think I
would have had an aneurysm. Like, I fully, like, would have had, like. Like, it is so, like,
technically, it
is a technical marvel. This fucking show that I was, like, out of my fucking mind. Like. Like, just
watching it where I'm like, if this was, like, if the screens were actually as big, like, if I was
sitting right there in it, like, in the pit, whatever, I think I. My brain would melt. Like, it was
so fucking cool. especially the graphics and all the technical stuff was so absolutely spectacular.
And the editing, pretty fire I did. I called O'Neil immediately after I got out of the theater, and
sort of gushed, a little bit. But one of the things I did was, one thing in my notebook, you'll see
all these plus ones. and these are all every time she changed costume or every time I noticed a
different costume, I would add a plus one. So I have an estimation of how many costumes were in the
actual edit. but I was very, very impressed. I was a little stinker going into it because I was
like, I'm tired. I don't wanna. And then I was fully wired by the end. It was very, very good.
There was stuff that I wasn't expecting and some really fun surprises,
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Olivia: and I just, yeah, I had a very good time. Not that I wasn't expecting it to be good.
Obviously, it was going to be good. but I was very, very impressed.
O'Neil: Yeah, I Saw this movie a second time with Tyler. Had, to drag his tiny, lack of an ass to
the theater.
Tyler: You saw the show live?
O'Neil: I did see the show live. Let's start. I did see the show live in kansas city the final
night. It was very overwhelming. One marvel of this whole production is that it's all her. She has
no openers. She opens for herself in that first act, singing, like, a couple of ballads, and then
it's just her for 3 hours straight. this is a technical marvel as well as an
endurance marvel, because, God damn. and she did 56 shows across Europe and america. It's. It is an
absolute marvel. And she, except for that one time.
Tyler: Kendrick lamar showed up and wrapped and looked very bored. Is that just his Persona on
stage? I've never seen him on stage before. I was like, oh, shit, Kendrick. And he just has, like,
the most, like, straight face, like, yeah, whatever. I'm on stage behind his verse.
Olivia: And then he dipped back down. I was like, yeah, well, we'll get.
O'Neil: There when we get to the AHAC. There's also Megan thee stallion. Who?
Olivia: Yes.
Olivia: Megan thee stallion. Diana Ross.
Tyler: At least Megan was searching.
O'Neil: Let me get to my viewing experience real quick.
Tyler: Yeah, go ahead.
O'Neil: Yeah, I got to go to the premiere, which was very exciting. It was the carpet, instead of a
red carpet saw, Lizzo saw Tyler Perry saw Helle Bailey. Helle Bailey. Helle Bailey. yeah, the stars
were out that night. All the dancers were there. They were sitting up front, and they were having a
great time. it was really great to see everybody, all the people who worked on it. this film had, I
think, twelve editors, 25 assistant editors. It was
a huge, huge production. And, yeah, it was great to see everybody. Everybody got to see it. there
were, I did notice in the second viewing, maybe this was my perspective, but I think there were
slight changes that were made, from the premiere to the actual final product, but little tweaks.
yeah, it was all in all, fantastic experience, and I'm very, excited that you two lads got to see
it.
Tyler: Our little boy had a credit in an AMC theater that you, I Saw your name in Nicole Kidman's
House.
Olivia: O'Neil. I did a big, big yell in the theater. I sent you the video, where.
O'Neil: I had a premium spot, too, for the credits. Yeah, you were the assistant editors.
Olivia: It's very nice. Stayed until the credits, obviously. Cause I was like, I'm gonna see my
boy's name on the big screen. and there were two girls left who were, like, getting ready to leave,
and I Saw your name and I started fucking screaming. And they were like. They turned to me like I
was crazy. I was like, my friend edited this movie. And so they started screaming and I was like,
yes, yes, it was very good. it was a very, like.
Yeah, it was the girls. It was very good. but, yeah, I do have a question for you, O'Neil, in terms
of, because you're saying it was, the US and the american tour, how many shows of the 56 did they
actually film for the documentary? Oh, all of them.
O'Neil: Yes.
Olivia: Every single show.
Tyler: All of them at some point in the movie.
O'Neil: Every single show except for two? Yes. I think every show except for two are in it. And as
we go through, I'll break down. For instance, not to jump ahead too far, but there's the blackout
during the Phoenix show, during the alien superstar song.
Olivia: Yes.
O'Neil: that was represented. A lot of the highlights of the actual tour were represented in the
film.
Olivia: Yeah, I think I wrote during that scene. Oh, God, the power's out. Whoever is doing audio,
God have mercy on their soul.
O'Neil: Yeah. it was definitely a big.
Tyler: That was my favorite scene in the.
Tyler: movie.
O'Neil: ....you know, sprinkled throughout,
Olivia: And they
Olivia: were like....
Tyler: I'll go for that now.
Olivia: ....change costume
Olivia: it'll be fucking iconic. And then it was.
O'Neil: Yeah, yeah. let's go ahead and just get overall opinions and then dive in.
Tyler: Yeah, I'll go quick. It's great. The movie is as much a technical masterpiece as the show
is. The match cuts, I was telling you after we walked out of the theater, but the match cuts, my
guy, were so on point. Everything was so on point.
O'Neil: This is sort of Beyonce's multiverse. They're, like, surgical.
Olivia: They're so good.
Tyler: Yeah. I like using the highlights from every show is such a cool idea. I think, if I got to
be honest, most of the interludes didn't work for me. Interesting. yeah, in a way where it was
like, there's been a trend with documentaries over the last, like, five years where it's either
true crime or it is a documentary that the artist is making about themselves, like, or an athlete
is making about themselves. It kind of started with the last dance of Michael Jordan, which is a
good version of that. And then, you know, like, the Harry and Meghan, they did one that got a lot
of traction. And it's like, yeah, yeah. Anytime an artist is making a documentary about themselves,
I'm just like, eh, like, some of it's interesting, some of it's not, but it's also like you're
talking about yourself. I don't know, it's just. I just find it m uninteresting.
Olivia: I think part of that for me was because, like, she does talk about her family a lot, and,
like, her family
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Olivia: came with her on the tour. Like, that's, like, something that you can't separate because
that's something that she's, like, also having to. To deal with on top of touring, doing 56 shows.
But I did do this little drawing of all the sort of hills and valleys in terms of action, where it
would be a really, really intense concert scene, and then it would immediately jump to black and
white, chill out, totally different vibes. And it was kind of. Sometimes it was a little bit much
for me, but otherwise I liked how they would cut and when they did the whole section on blue ivy,
and that was spectacular. That was so cool. I can't even imagine how cool that would have been.
yeah, that was great. And then, like, you know, learning about, Uncle Johnny and, like, that was
very cool as well.
Tyler: That one's good, too.
Olivia: And those, like, you know, stuff towards the end. but actually learning about the
production side of things, there were some times where it was like, it seems like there's a lot of
her philosophy going into just, like, saying what her philosophy is. And, like, one of the notes
that I took was how different your mindset has to be than, like, completely different from the
average everyday human being because you're working at such a technical and, like, different, like,
almost different reality. Like, with, like, how big the scale is of what you're working with. not
only that, and being like, damn, she fucking is, like, an insanely talented performer. Like, yeah.
Like, vocally, technically, like, fucking flawless. Dancing is insane anytime, like, her actual,
like, performance and stage presence, it's one of those things where, like, I'm watching someone do
the thing that they are best at in the best way possible. Like, I was. Again, I can't extol the
virtues of this. It was very good. But yes, I also loved every shot that Jay Z was in. He looks
like such a dad. It's my favorite thing. He's one of my favorite parts of the movie. Just Jay Z
being like, yes.
O'Neil: Jay Z was in his own sort of multiverse there. one thing I just want to comment on really
quickly is I was actually surprised by how, for those who aren't familiar with the Beyonce sphere,
the beehive, all that stuff, her Persona is very manicured on, purpose. She had an era where she
took control of her own external vision and how people perceive her and all of that stuff. And so I
was actually pretty surprised about how deep she went with this. Like, there were things in this
that I didn't even know, having worked for her for a year, that I was very surprised to see. And
the fact that she was being so vulnerable. With Blue Ivy's journey as her first performance, I
thought was very exciting to see as a, a parent and a performer seeing sort of the both sides of
that.
Olivia: Very, very cool.
O'Neil: But, yeah, let's dive in really quick. Just as, like, a topic setter. Really quick. I
believe I'm the only one who's actually seen the Taylor Swift eras movie. I haven't even watched it
all the way through. I skimmed through.
Tyler: I have seen another concert film this year, but I did not watch Taylor Swift's movie. I Saw
the a 24 remaster re release of stop making sense, which is the talking heads performance in 1983
at the Pantages. It's very good. Anyway, that's all. That's all I have to say about.
O'Neil: Sort of, there's been a lot of movie stuff. Anyway, let's. Let's dive into the actual
breakdown of this. The intro doc portion where they open up the. The scene, just, like, setting the
tone, essentially, for all of that. And, then the ballad section. What do we.
How do we feel about. We see our first major costume change during the flaws and all section where
she, like, she's wearing, like, her standard. I think it was like a black sequins.
Olivia: Yeah.
Tyler: Garb.
O'Neil: And then she changed into this, like, green.
Tyler: Going around. Going around table. Favorite, least favorite costume.
Olivia: I have answers. I have answers. my favorite costume was, like, the jockey like unit. Like,
the full. Like, the gloves, it was like the full, like, the, like, patterned, like, pink. And
what's called, like, the helmet was obsessed with.
O'Neil: I like that, too.
Olivia: Anything with the wide brim hat.
Tyler: I like the y brim hat was sick.
Olivia: I don't know if
Tyler: ...that. I was gonna say the y brim hat.
Olivia: I don't know if I had a least favorite. There were a lot of.
Tyler: When she's just as a bee at the end, I was like, I'm not into this.
Olivia: The b is so fucking.
O'Neil: The bee is so good.
Olivia: So good. The v is like, feathers at the end of the, like, antenna. I was kind of obsessed
with kind of the moment.
O'Neil: as the doc continues on, we get to see the actual building of the tour and the stage. And
Olivia, you said you had some. Some comments on that.
Olivia: Oh, yeah. Just, like, how big that is. Like, it's just, like, so insane. And, like, where
she was like, yeah, there's actually three stages. Like, I can't even think about the money that it
would cost to, like, whole produce. Make sure you have the backups for all the screens, all the
calibration that you have to do. Make it work every single time. And not only do you have one of
them, you have three of them constantly moving and, like. Like, actual, like, logistics of that
blew my brain, like, completely, I think. What was it?
There's a shot of an audience member that goes, wow. And I was like, wow, indeed. And then I wrote,
holy fuck. Holy fuck.
Tyler: The moment that stands out to me as a DP is when she's asking this cameraman if they could
go wider. And he's like, oh, right. Yes, I guess. I guess I could look. He's like this. She's like,
don't make this lens any wider. No, listen.
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Tyler: If he's going to a six, that means he's on an eight. They. They really don't make lenses
wider than that. I want to shout that out. I want to shout out that DP where it's like, I can look
at this very specific, strange ass six millimeter lens, and then you see it later in the film. But
it's like, as my DPP brain was like, oh, this is, like, a very weird
niche lens that they're putting on at the very end here. And eight millimeter is already a pretty
niche fisheye lens. But, like.
O'Neil: Mm
Tyler: Yeah. I don't know. I was like, that's. It made me laugh.
O'Neil: That's actually during the women in machine.
Olivia: Yes. Women in the machine.
O'Neil: Yeah, that's actually later during the women in the machine. But that's actually something
that I do want to highlight because. Yeah, but also, on the other hand, like, the fact that she
knows that as a performer, as a dancer, as a singer, as a director.
Olivia: Yeah.
O'Neil: Let me jump back, and then I'll show you the anecdote during the women in machine segment.
But, I'm that girl. That's when we saw our first, like, minute costume changes, like, the different
type to sequence shiny. and then we see the alien blackout, which is great during the Phoenix show.
I thought that was great for them to enjoy.
Olivia: Mercy. Yeah. The color is so iconic on that, though. So good.
O'Neil: And I think that's, like, a great setter for what to expect during this film is like,
you're not just getting, like, two or three shows. Cough cough. you're getting cough cough, tailor.
Tyler: Cough cough.
O'Neil: Experience of the renaissance.
Olivia: Get em, get em sick em.
O'Neil: The Renaissance world tour. And it is a preview. This is a preview. you know, content, like
an experience.
Tyler: It's a film. It's a thing. it's a film of the vision. It's not just like, we shot the dot,
we shot the concert, and here it is. Pay us money to go see it again.
O'Neil: Yeah. And then you get the break my soul with the break my soul remix. the fact that she,
like, was remixing all of her hits even while she was performing, and, like, the different
iterations of that was, was fantastic. Woman, versus the machine. I did want to comment on this,
again, I'm not saying anything that wasn't presented in the doc, but she touches everything and
it's kind of crazy. A lot of times I'm like, how does this woman sleep? How does she rest? How does
she do it all exactly? Just a small anecdote, from m the editing side. There was, a specific moment
where we were in session and we were editing, and she was like, that's not what I asked for. That's
not what I asked for. That's not what I asked for. And then she started listing off angles. She was
like, I remember from this date, from this time during this part of the song, there was a camera
here. I wanna see that angle. And then we go, dig, dig, dig. And it was there. And it's just like,
how do you keep all of that in your mind?
Olivia: She's, like, producing as she's performing. She is curating it. Her brain is working at an
extra level.
Tyler: The lighting stuff where she's like, I want these lights on me. Move that light here.
Olivia: One of the things that I'm actually gonna bring up now just cause it's a good point. So one
of my expectations was I wrote, the negative space, or, like, using, like, that black negative
space and, like, creating those, like, magical, like, third spaces, those. I'm, trying to think of
what the word is for it, but those sort of liminal spaces, but what she's talking about the
lighting, and she's like, what if it's just like, the lack of light. And I was like, literally,
that's, yes, yes. That was what I was expecting. And like, the fact that she put it like in words,
I was like, yeah, that's exactly what she's doing. Because she has so much light, she has so much
chrome, so much bright, even like the disco, all the reflection stuff, like, and just to use, like,
the simplicity of the negative light is just like fucking chef's kiss. So good.
O'Neil: Yeah, very, very talented. And she show, this is sort of her putting all of her cards on
the table, like, yeah, this is what I can do. And this is what you're about to get. And it sort of
coasts off of that. But the great part of that was the rehearsal to cuff it transition where she's
like, what if we went bump, bump and then you hear that part?
Olivia: Yeah, I love that. That was great.
O'Neil: And it transitions into kafit, one of my favorites. It's like a kind of a throwback song,
where it's like, it's a throwback to older Yancey from this, and then, energy. And the mute
challenge, as someone who went to the concert, that's a really fun part of the concert where it's
like everybody on mute. And then like just silence.
Olivia: That was like an excellent tension build in the edit, I'm sure, like, in the actual crowd
it would have been insane. But like, in the edit, you're like, like, you know, I loved
that.
O'Neil: And if you would have gone see it in like a crowded theater, like everybody doing the mute
challenge, I've seen plenty of Tiktoks of like, people doing that. And then you get the big, like,
drop at the end, like, and then, you know, people, you're just hype. This is, this is just, it's
just nonstop hype. And that's sort of why I do like the doc pieces in my opinion is you have like,
hype, hype, hype, hype, hype. And then it's like, okay, catch your breath. and then you move on.
Tyler: I wish one, last thing with like the pieces, then the concert and the pieces in the concert.
I agree that it needs those moments, those down moments so that when the shit finally you can catch
your breath.
Tyler: I just think some of them lasted. It's a three hour movie. I felt it at times, like the last
couple breaks, I was like, the 2 hours, okay, how much longer is left here? Like, I'm
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Tyler: enjoying this. But like, that was my problem with, I don't think any of them in particular
were like, you needed to cut that one or whatever. Like, they all worked for me, but it was just a
matter of how many there were that I was just like, okay, but, yeah, anyway, we can continue.
Olivia: Yeah, but so, yeah, the dancer side of things. Cause that starts with the Kevin Jay Z
prodigy section, right, where they're talking about, like, the ballroom scene a little bit.
O'Neil: I think Kevin prodigy is actually. Oh, yeah, you are right. Yeah.
Olivia: Cause that's, like, post. Like, the release. The wiggle. The fucking horse moves. They
didn't show nearly enough of the horse movement.
O'Neil: Oh, yeah. The horse is Renee.
Olivia: Wait, the horse has a name, and.
O'Neil: Her name is Renee Renaissance. The writers really puffed off with that one.
Olivia: That's great. That's fucking awesome. That's so funny.
O'Neil: Yeah, no, it was great to see. Yeah. Ah, Kevin prodigy. What a fucking icon in the House
music.
Tyler: Ah.
Olivia: So iconic. Holy shit.
O'Neil: Is just so strong throughout the entire thing. The hurricane Katrina. So powerful. but
then, yeah, getting to see all the dancers was very. I'm not as plugged into, like, the House
scene. The House.
Olivia: Yeah, the ballroom.
O'Neil: I'm not scene. The ballroom scene. and so, like, one of the questions.
Olivia: So there's the dolls, and then there's the other background dancer. What's the distinction?
Are the dolls the more, like, ballroom specialty dancers? Time out. Who was the girl? Who was the
woman who was galloping on all fours? Who the fuck is that? Like, oh, that's red costume. She was,
like, fully balenciaga. Was that who that was?
O'Neil: Yeah, honey. Balenciaga. That's, one of the lead dancers in that spectacle. I was like,
seed.
Olivia: Galloping, galloping.
O'Neil: Very powerful.
Olivia: Yeah, that was nuts. That was absolutely insane.
O'Neil: She's great. Great to get insights on that. I do want to bounce. We'll start, like,
plugging through these a little bit faster. Formation. Another reimagining of formation. I don't
know if you guys have ever seen the homecoming documentary.
Olivia: No.
O'Neil: Okay. it's her at, What the fuck is it called? the show that they do in the desert.
Coachella. There it is.
Olivia: Coachella.
O'Neil: It's her doing Coachella. Every time she performs formations, she reinvents it in
an interesting way. And this was just another one of those formations.
Olivia: Formation.
O'Neil: Kind of a, but formation, obviously, from the la mania album, was like a sort of girl,
power. I get your power back sort of thing. and she's just reinvented it every time. For every sort
of era she's in. This is sort of her era, if you think about it. but then diva run the world. And
then we get, the blue Ivy Doc, which honestly the highlight for me. I think I wrote a note that
says, oh God, black power. because it's just so good to see blue ivy grow and then do her show. And
there is, this is where I think the most amount of vulnerability comes in because you see Beyonce
as a mother being like, oh, I couldn't even control what my daughter saw on social media, but that
also driving her daughter to perform better. and then we get my power, which is good, great
performance. We see Beyonce and, blue Ivy dance together and then we see the dance captain Amarillo
leading them as they then bring out the black parade and we see our queen and her subjects on her
fucking tank.
Olivia: The Mars rover was fucking crazy. That was nuts. That was so good.
O'Neil: Even in show, like, just seeing that rollout was like, what the fuck?
Olivia: Holy shit, the machine. Yeah, but that was so sweet. It was so cute. And like, you can tell
she's eleven, but she's killing it, people. and like just watching Jay Z in the pit just be like,
yes, it's so good.
Tyler: I mean, and as far as it's like you, I've seen some people be like, hey, maybe an eleven
year old shouldn't be out there. It's the daughter of Jay Z and Beyonce. Like,
she's, what do you, what else? It's not like she's gonna have a normal childhood. Like, what are
you, like, she, I.
O'Neil: Mean, and that's the thing is like she was the one who approached. I mean, you saw the
different moments where she was like, no, no, no. You have to keep that part of the song. I love
how it's like, I believe in, it was in diva. She was like, you can't cut diva, you can't cut. And
then she cuts off the edit and then, yes, starting, honey, you can't cut people off. Yeah. Just
what a great, sort of segment. So. But she was contributing this entire time and she was the one
who brought forms.
Olivia: Yeah. And then going into the Houston show as visiting Parkwood, getting a little bit.
O'Neil: More background from Beyonce. I mean, if you're not a super fan, you wouldn't know any of
this stuff. So it's great to get more insight into who this performer is and why she is such an
icon and where she came from.
Olivia: The sandwich superstition. Loved that.
O'Neil: Oh, yes. Pre show superstition. And then we get another sort of bump. I would say to the
interest of the show where we get Savage with the Megan thee stallion performance where you've seen
celebrities maybe in the audience, but you haven't seen any co
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O'Neil: performers. And so this was a great sort of thing. Again, I think this was
Houston. This was Houston, yes. And then we get a little bit more vulnerability, I think, in the
next, we do partition, which, is, again, another just absolute banger. And then we get fast
forwarding a little bit. We get the documentary where we see, like, why she isn't as mobile in this
one. Again, if you seem homecoming, you've seen her fly across the stage. but her knee, she
actually got knee surgery. And I remember when I first started at Parkwood, when she would come in,
she was actually on the crutches, which they show in the dock as well. It's just so interesting to
see her reclaiming her performance and her image and everything like that. And then we get church
girls. And I didn't imagine to be tearing up at church girls, but goddamn, what a good fucking.
Just, remix that is with the electric slide.
Olivia: Yeah. Oh, the electric slide. I loved. That was so cool. That was so, so cool.
O'Neil: It does sort of slow down at this point.
Olivia: Yes. That is where about the two hour mark, I started, like, fading a little bit after
this.
Tyler: This is where I went to the bathroom. Yes.
Olivia: No, but, like, the thing is, when she comes out of the, like, clam shell, it, like, took me
a second. It took me a second. Cause I went, oh, fuck. It's the birth of Venus. It's literally a
renaissance painting. The woman's a genius. The woman's a genius.
O'Neil: Ah.
Olivia: Like, yeah.
O'Neil: And it's also from Virgo's groove. She is a Virgo. Diana rossing her birthday.
Olivia: Is that the show where everyone was wearing the pointy, like, the party hats? Was that her
birthday show?
O'Neil: Yes.
Olivia: Okay, good. Okay.
O'Neil: Yes, yes, yes, yes. And Diane Ross came out,
Olivia: Oh, my m. God.
O'Neil: Legend. Diana Ross comes out and sings.
Olivia: Yeah, that was so good.
O'Neil: very exciting. That was at the LA show. Then we get plastic off the sofa, which was
shortened quite a bit, which transitions into Virgo's groove. And then we get a little bit of a
bump back up with move, which I thought was great. The camera zooming in and out.
Olivia: Yes. That was sick.
O'Neil: The dancers kind of behind her doing the, But it's that pose thing called with the multiple
voguing? No, no, no. The multiple arms behind it kind of.
Olivia: Reminds me of like a shiva. Like, arms of Shiva kind of dance. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
O'Neil: Which I thought was great.
Olivia: Which I love. I love edited. I bet anyone does that. It's good stuff. It's very technically
difficult to do.
O'Neil: And then we get to the uncle Johnny Doc. Now, I want to hear you guys sort of take on this,
because this is the one that I probably knew least about before I started at Parkwood, about, like,
Uncle Johnny and his passing and the sort of impact that he had.
Olivia: Yeah. So I didn't know about literally any of it. and, like, just like, because by the time
they, like, got to it, where they were, like, fashion saved our family. And, like, just based off
the pure number of costumes and how on point every single one was, I was like, there's a level of
care and emphasis on it that it has to come from somewhere. And to actually get the answer was
insane. And it also kind of ties in. Cause Beyonce is a straight woman and she's an icon, but she's
a queer icon. People in the lgbt community fucking love her. and she does pull a lot from black
ballroom scenes and stuff like that. And to understand that she had a queer black influence in the
start of her career very much explains for me, it made more sense that she has such a devoted queer
following.
O'Neil: Yeah. And she sort of made a point to make her space a, very safe space.
Olivia: Yes, they. Safe space. Yeah.
O'Neil: Especially for black LGBT, which in our own community can be a little bit of a rough. Yeah.
Space, to be in. So then you get to heated with the fans. What a great
segment.
Olivia: That was so cool. Those arms were sick. I was obsessed with those sort of, like, gyroscopic
arms. Those are so cool with the painting.
Tyler: I know we passed that. Yeah, this is cool.
Olivia: Oh, yeah.
O'Neil: Back and cozy.
Olivia: That was sick.
O'Neil: The dancing with the framing.
Olivia: That was really cool.
O'Neil: Yeah. The arms, definitely have their own sort of fan following, so to speak. And then it's
a hard cut from heated into, like, the interstitial, where it sort of statics out, and then we get
thick, which is definitely a fan favorite, and sort of an interplay with the visuals in the
background and then all up in your mind, which I thought the way they cut it was actually kind of
scary in this one.
Olivia: Yeah, it was intense.
O'Neil: Yeah, it was, like, very, very intense. And then you get a sort of release with drunken,
love and the sort of disco ball stripper.
Olivia: That was pretty cool.
O'Neil: Strippers become the disco ball. Very nice.
Olivia: The pole dancers. Yeah, absolutely. Very cool.
O'Neil: And then we are. You could tell that the doc is sort of wrapping up.
Olivia: Yes. Yeah.
O'Neil: Because we get this sort of recap, of all the tour moments, kind.
Olivia: Of moments where like I'm really sitting at this moment. Yeah,
O'Neil: Yeah,
O'Neil: which culminates in the beyhive. If You See like all the different fan clips and tikToks
and just sort of how people experienced it. The tour in the moment. Which then cuts to like a big
media thing. You see blue, blue
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O'Neil: ivy announcing there's a swarm of killer beats. It's so very cute. which then cuts to.
America has a problem, which is a. Ah, great song, which Kendrick did a later feature of after the
album came out, which then he performs I thought was great. Tyler, you had a comment?
Tyler: Oh, no. The performance was excellent. The performance was great. But it was the, it was
the. As soon as he finished, his face went blank and he went and sat back down on the news desk and
it went down, like, without looking at anybody. And I was like, all right. I don't know if it's a
note. I just thought it was like, I.
Olivia: Did my thing, I'm done. I showed up, I was Kendrick, and now I'm done. Goodbye.
Tyler: That's right.
O'Neil: That's fair. That's fair. Yeah. No, he does have a. Ah, his stage performance is usually a
little bit harder. I would say a little bit more like. But, then that goes into the pure honey ball
scene where they, you know, they're dancing and she's holding the super wide camera that she
requested at the beginning of the dog. that was very fun. and then it's sort of. We get like a
resolution doc, so to speak, where she's just like, this was the tour. I feel changed. you know, I
would say to Tyler's point, you're very standard celebrity.
Olivia: Yeah, that, like, nothing to prove anymore. This like freedom in her forties, which. Yeah,
that sort of escapism, transfer of energy. It was very like big. Like big brain. Big brain that we
were sort of talking about near the end. It was very like philosophy of like, famous people.
O'Neil: Yeah, very much so.
Tyler: That's basically what I came to is like, oh, God. You finish it first and then we'll do
final thought.
O'Neil: Yeah, which, which then brought us to the summer of Renaissance slash summer Renaissance
remix where she's riding the horse, she's swinging, she's flying. Confetti all around. And then,
you know, we cut to one last little doc piece where Jay Z and B are on the private jet and she's,
you know, eating a sandwich and he's interviewing her and she says she feels changed. And then we
get a new song. By the way, the end credits song was a new song that she just dropped.
Olivia: There you go. Great.
O'Neil: Chavois naming it.
Olivia: Yeah. And I did a big. Yeah.
O'Neil: But, Tyler, you said you had a closing thought on the document.
Tyler: This just feels like the every other artist making a doc about themselves pales in
comparison to this one, if that makes sense to you.
Olivia: Yes.
Tyler: Ah, this is the best version you could possibly have of that because oftentimes when I watch
those, I find them to be painfully boring and uninteresting. There's nothing interesting to say but
the technical aspects and the show and seeing the technical aspects of the show and seeing all the
behind the scenes just makes this actually interesting. Like, no one was going into this being
like, I wonder if we'll see a real take about Beyonce. Like, no, it's just like, Beyonce. Here's
the crazy shit I knew. Here's how I'm fucking great at it. Enjoy. Which, you know, and I enjoyed
it.
O'Neil: What was great is that, like, I.
Olivia: Had a really good time.
O'Neil: A lot of documentaries you would want to see. You know, it's usually somebody being famous
but not showing what they're famous for. And what I think is so great about this is like, her life
has been this performance for this past year, and so it does just show what her life was for the
past, you know, two, three years.
Tyler: If you compare this to, like, the one that I really don't like is the Harry and Meghan
documentary. Like, I have. I've got nothing against them, but, like, that's a documentary they made
for their own purposes about themselves to try and make some money. And I'm like, why should I
watch this? You made it about yourselves. There's nothing.
Nothing interesting is going to be in this. You know, it's like. Or the Johnny Manziel
documentaries, the same way where it's like, let's skip the NFL and all the drug problems and,
like, the legal issues. Let's just talk about the stuff I did, the good, the fun stuff I did in
college football. Like, there's so many of those now that I just find them there.
Olivia: You do get pretty much the 360 of Beyonce here is just like, really. And like, I. Again, I
wasn't. I'm not a huge Beyonce fan. Like, I don't know anything about her. And, like, I kind of got
the, like, the long and short of it and, like, you know, to get, like, the technical part that I
was like, here for.
Tyler: I'm in, if I didn't get Beyonce before, I get Beyonce now, you know, that's a good way of
getting it.
Olivia: Now, there's a point where, like, right after they finished, like, the dancer doc, and they
were like, oh, yeah. Like, this was my first job. I got hired after doing this video. Blah, blah,
blah. I wrote, I'm invested now. I'm so in. I love big hats. Like, that was, like, kind of the
point in the. Where I was like, yeah, I'm in, I'm in, I'm in, I'm in, I'm in. like, right before
all the blue ivy stuff. Okay, my final question. O'Neil.
O'Neil: Yes.
Olivia: I did a count of all the different costume changes.
O'Neil: Yeah. Let's see.
Olivia: My final number is 73. I think I overshot. I think it is anywhere between 68 and
73. That is my guess on how many costume changes there were.
O'Neil: Let me just double how many separate costumes.
Olivia: There might have been times where, like, she took off a hat or a part of the. A part of the
costumes. Those are separate, and I don't know if I count. Okay, so they are separate costumes. So
I might actually have gone under. So I'm gonna stick with my number of 73. Because going back and
counting them, I was like, whoa, hold on. That's a lot. But then I was like, no, no, that makes
sense. That there were close into the seventies of them. I also wanna know how many pounds of
confetti were dropped on this tour. Like, it's gotta be, like,
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Olivia: tons and tons and tons and tons. Like, truckloads.
O'Neil: 84.
Olivia: 84. Okay. So I understood. So I missed them. That's crazy. By almost ten. Yeah. Cause there
were times where, like, if a jacket came off, that's a different costume, so I wouldn't have
counted that. Or the hat comes off and different costumes, especially during. Understandable. Yes.
O'Neil: Cuff. It was, like, a pretty exploratory time, and I don't know if you caught it, but there
was, like, that rapid. Like, different costumes.
Olivia: That's where I was trying to catch a lot of those.
O'Neil: Yeah. A couple of iterations in there that I think also probably got missed. And, you know,
again, the slight changes in costume and, you know, you might have not all caught. Wow.
Olivia: I'm really surprised that I went under on that. So. Yeah, that's. Yeah. But, like, I was so
deeply impressed, like, visually on, like, every single element of this. But, you should be very
proud of the work you did on this, sir. I don't know where your fingerprints are on this movie, but
it is so. It is so spectacular. Like, it was one of, like. Like, I had a genuinely very good time.
Theater, a lot of shows. Yes, a lot of shows.
There was a lot of stuff to.
O'Neil: Do, but, yeah, it was a great experience overall. and I did make that dough with overtime
that I did put in, but it's great. two questions for you.
Olivia: Yes.
O'Neil: First question.
Olivia: Yeah.
O'Neil: If you were not previously, have you been converted to a Beyonce fan?
Olivia: I think I have been converted to a Beyonce enjoyer. I don't know if I'm a fan, but I
definitely am more inclined to listen to miss Knowles good music. Yeah.
O'Neil: Not a necessarily.
Olivia: There were some songs that I was like, okay, cun.
O'Neil: Yes.
Olivia: but, yeah, but, yeah, I was like, oh, okay. I can get down on, this. For sure, for sure,
for sure, for sure. But yes, definitely more of a Beyonce enjoyer.
O'Neil: Yes.
Olivia: But I will not say I'm full beehive yet, so.
O'Neil: Okay.
Tyler: Yeah, I'm not really a big.
O'Neil: I don't know.
Tyler: I'm not in anybody's beehive, if that makes sense. I'm not a Stanley fan of any musician, if
so. But, like, you know, listen, I'll add a couple Beyonce songs to the rotation. I'll. I'm a
Beyonce understander.
Olivia: Yeah. There's the ones that I'm like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Tyler: No, we'll never. Not that I did before, but we'll never talk shit ever again. You know what
I mean? Understand.
Olivia: The woman's capable of.
O'Neil: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Olivia: She is a visionary. Like, I fully. Like, she's so deserving of that specific, like,
moniker. Yeah, absolutely.
O'Neil: Question number two.
Olivia: Yes.
O'Neil: Should this get nominated for an Oscar?
Tyler: I don't watch enough documentaries to know, quite frankly, I'm not in person. Ask.
Olivia: Okay. In the document. Okay. Because that was where I was at. I was like, I don't
know what I would categorize this at, as, because it is. It is a documentary that is. That is true.
I think, like, it's part art film at start documentary. I think it is spectacular. Like, it is
genuinely, like, such a well made documentary. and I think it could be in the running for an Oscar
contention. I think it does have enough behind it that it could be considered. Absolutely. I think
it can.
Tyler: Here's my take. Is it one of the five best documentaries of the year? I honestly have no
fucking idea. I don't watch enough documentaries. I have not watched five documentaries this year.
I've watched three or four, including this movie. Should they nominate it? So Beyonce is there?
Yes, 100%. They should absolutely do that. They're fucking idiots if they don't nominate this. So
you can get Beyonce on the red carpet. You know what I mean? that's my take.
O'Neil: Yes.
Olivia: That's so funny.
O'Neil: So please sign my petition, because currently I don't think it qualifies under the Oscars
rules to be nominated. But I, ah, do think there should be a pretty substantial push.
Tyler: Why?
O'Neil: Oscar has rules against self promotion in your documentary, and since she produced.
Olivia: It and it's about her, well, that's the fucking movie. The whole movie is promotion.
O'Neil: So we'll get that petition cooking. a slickity split, but yeah. Cool. Great, guys. Thank
you for sharing with the renaissance.
Tyler: And now, without further ado, we are.
O'Neil: Here now to tell you our top fives of the year. This is music, books, tv, movies. It's all
of it, baby.
Olivia: It's all of it.
Tyler: Here on Hollywood Junior, we don't limit ourselves to one medium. No, it's 2023, baby. let's
break down how we did this, because we did this in a very weird way. I'll break it down for you
guys. So, basically, a lot of podcasts do top tens, and they whinge endlessly about movies and tv.
so we're going to cut through the fat. And what we've done is limited ourselves to certain time
slots for each film, depending on whether they're 54321. So if you are fifth films, we only have 15
seconds to talk about it. And then going all the way up to number one, it goes 30, 1 minute, two
minute, three minutes to talk about our number one films. And then, we went ahead and looked at
our. Each of our top fives in any overlap. We went ahead and tacked on that extra time so we can
all talk about that movie for that extra time. Because of that, I think some of our top fives have
been manipulated. I know my
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Tyler: top five is very close to my actual top five, but it has been slightly manipulated so that I
can have more time to talk about things. I feel like I deserve more time. with that being said, I
will start. Olivia and I both have Spider man across the spider verse as our
number fives. That's actually my number one film, but I want to talk about other stuff. Cause it's
O'Neal's number one film. So we're going to skip me and Olivia's five, and then we're just going to
tack that time on into O'Neal's one, if that tracks for everybody. so let's start with O'Neal's
five.
Olivia: All right. O'Neil, I have you, on the timer, your 15 seconds for your number five starts
now.
O'Neil: Just, jujutsu Kaisen, season two. Mappa's doing some credible work out there. They're
actually on strike right now, so solidarity for Mappa, but goddamn, talk about fucking art, man.
They're fucking killing out there. What a great year for animation.
Fucking jujutsu kaiser and fucking one piece. They're killing it. Go get them.
Tyler: I, like.
O'Neil: That'll be my most, like, ranty one.
Olivia: Okay. And we are at the 32nd mark. Okay. My number four was the legend of vox machina
season two on Amazon Prime. I fucking love this show. it is just. It hits the right beats every
time. the voice cast is phenomenal. Duh. I was really impressed with the animation this season, and
I think we're in, like, the, like, adult animation kind of, like, renaissance, you could say. but
it does a really good job of, like, following the emphasis of the first season that we're out of
Whitestone. We're into the next thing, and, like, it drops some pretty big bombs. It's phenomenal.
Check it.
O'Neil: Amazon.
Olivia: Amazon Brown. Great.
O'Neil: All right, Tyler, number four, your time starts now.
Tyler: May December. May December is a weird, transgressive, very strange movie. Everyone should
watch on Netflix. Julianne Moore and Natalie Portman are unhinged for a full 2 hours. It's funny.
It's fucked up. It's excellent. I, really enjoy it. It's both a soap opera and a serious drama.
it's very weird, and I love it. Is that 30 seconds? What else? the lead actor is also very good
time.
Olivia: Yeah, you're good.
O'Neil: Cool.
Olivia: Coolio. All right.
O'Neil: my number four.
Olivia: Yes.
O'Neil: American, american fiction, what a fucking fantastic movie. What a great year for black
cinema. I mean, it's been a great year for everybody's cinema, but goddamn. With the Renaissance,
with american fiction. Spider verse, which we're going to talk about later. what a great film. I
literally can't say anything without spoiling it other than it is, tar. But for black people. And
also a comedy. some people would say tar is a comedy.
Those people are sick, sick fucks. But, american fiction, great performances, great fucking
fantastic writing based off of the original book. All right, moving on to our
number three.
Tyler: Number three.
O'Neil: Tyler, why don't you go ahead and hit your number three first? Because Olivia and I share a
number three.
Olivia: Yes.
Tyler: Okay. Yeah, I can do that.
O'Neil: giving you 1 minute on the clock starting now.
Tyler: My number three is how to blow up a pipeline. If you haven't seen this movie. Please do
support independent cinema. This is the only truly transgressive film I've seen made this year. It
posits the question that in the face of climate disaster, there is no other option other than
industrial sabotage. It is a tight, tight hour, 45 minutes terrorist heist movie, but also has the
deep theming of environmentalism and. And eco terror and weather and who's actually a good guy, you
know, this isn't a movie that just immediately popped up. Well, obviously the oil companies are
bad, and doing this is good. You know, they reckon with the damage that they do cause in the end.
it's. It's a tight thriller. It's just excellent. It is the best independent movie I Saw this year.
Please check it out. Please check it out. I want Daniel Goldhaber to make more stuff.
O'Neil: Great. That's how to develop a pipeline. Where can you find that?
Tyler: I actually don't know. I don't, I think you have to rent it. I don't think any streamer
is going for that one, but I can check real fast.
O'Neil: Okay.
Tyler: Oh, it's on Hulu. Hang on. inside your Hulu. Watch. How to blow up a pipeline. On Hulu.
O'Neil: Okay. How to blow up a pipeline. All right. I am putting two minutes on the clock because
Olivia and I share a number two. And we can really luxuriate in this one.
Olivia: Yeah, we can really sit in this one. Let's.
O'Neil: Let's go ahead and kick this one off with Barbie. God damn, what a fucking fun time.
Olivia: It's so good. The production, like, the visuals, the casting is so good. the writing can
be, say yay and nay, but there's some, like, really deeply funny parts in this.
O'Neil: Yes.
Olivia: it's just.
O'Neil: There's some comedic aspects that don't necessarily always hit, but when it does hit, it
hits so fucking hard. I still always flashback to that one time where the real, Perlman voiceover
is like, note to self, margot Robbie is not for an imperfect woman. I'm just like, God damn.
Olivia: The movie that it was making. And it. Yeah, I've never had as much fun in the movie theater
as I have had in Barbie. Just cause, like, I did the Oppenheimer thing. I Saw it in the first
couple days, the, Barbenheimer thing, and I just genuinely had
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Olivia: so much fun. And then everyone I know that I Saw it with made fun of me for breaking my all
time in theater cry record. And I cried for five to six times. and every time since, I have cried
like a bitch. Every time I have watched it since then, it just hit a chord with me that I just had.
Like, it's like one of those movies that's like, yeah, I'm gonna cry every time I see this because,
like, unfor, like, I was socialized as a girl, it's gonna hit. I recently went through all of my
own barbies at, my parents House and only cried once, but I did cry. It was very much like a
childhood thing for me to come back and.
O'Neil: Also just top tier culture moment. This is when. If you wanted to, like, point at, like,
post Covid, this is when movies is back.
Tyler: We're back.
O'Neil: Like, this is when movies have re entered the cultural zeitgeist. Yeah. and so this is
where we, you know, this is. It doesn't it, guys. Movies is back. Movies is here.
Olivia: Nature is big.
O'Neil: You could point to cocaine bear, you could point to mithrigan. But really, guess what? It's
Margot Robbie and Greta Gerwig's great work.
Olivia: And, like, Ken's iconic. I am Ken. Up. I bought the t shirt already. I'm sold. I'm in. I'm
in. Yeah, like Barbie.
O'Neil: Talk about marketing, too. WB, killing it. You can watch it on Hulu and probably still in
theaters. Or not. Hulu. Sorry. HBO. HBO. inside your HBO.
Olivia: inside your Max. Yes.
O'Neil: Yeah, on Max. Sorry, Max. All right, cool. Moving on to our number twos Liver. you want to
kick us off with your number?
Olivia: Yeah, absolutely.
O'Neil: All right. Starting the time now.
Olivia: Okay, so my number two was the last of us, the HBO show, starring Pedro Pascal and, Bella
ah Ramsey. it was spectacular. I mean, following the Pedro pascal craze in January on TikTok, I was
very, very excited for this. And I'm not a huge video game person. I've never played the last of
us. and I'm normally kind of weird about zombie stuff, but, going into this, it was just so well
done. And every episode hit all the race beats for me. And, like, I was like, I would text my
roommates and be like, hey, guys, it's Sunday-Sunday-Sunday night. the living room needs to be
clear of people from, like, 09:00 until eleven while I, like, go and feel everything that I need to
feel while I'm watching this show, the sort of companion to this, this is kind of a two parter
because, one of the best podcasts that I listened to this year was the official HBO, the, last of
Us Podcast hosted by the one and only Troy Baker, with Craig Mazin and, Neil, Druckmann, who I kiss
on the mouth for both of them. I love it. It's so good. The writing
is so absolutely spectacular. And they break down how the episodes were and not the production side
of things, but how they did the conversion from video game to screen and the different production
challenges and where they decided to deviate and where they decided to keep things the same. And
talking about the long, long time episode with Nick Offerman. some of the episodes just, like, so
heartbreaking and so good. And there's so many good Easter eggs where you have, like, Laura Bailey
at the end with, like, you know, with the nurses and you see Ashley Johnson. You get to see Ashley
Johnson, the original video game voice for, Ellie play, her mom. And, like, they bring her onto the
show and they, like, talk about that. And it's her and troy who, like, spent so much time. And also
the video of them t posing in number three. There we go.
Tyler: That's the best video of all time,
Olivia: Season two.
Olivia: Let's go.
O'Neil: That's fantastic. All right.
Olivia: No, please, God. T post.
O'Neil: Tyler, you want to hit us with your number two?
Tyler: Yeah, I totally can. I'm ready. Listen, at the end of the day, my list, I try, you know, I
threw in may december there. But I gotta be me. I gotta have some boycore stuff. I have. And I got
to talk about the killer. This is boy dinner. Hi. Welcome to boy dinner. And this is me talking
about the movie the Killer by David Fincher. David Fincher is my favorite
director. David Fincher is my favorite director. he does not miss what a boy think. Girl is my
favorite. I love a tot thriller. This is a movie about the gig economy. It is a movie that pauses.
What if Hitmen were just Uber drivers? And it's very, very good and powerful. it's just like a
master of his craft executing at an incredibly high level. Ah, there's so many little details in
there where this guy m just to watch Michael Fassbender constantly be the world's most mid hit man
and listening to his internal monologue about how he's incredible is hilarious. It's so funny, that
dichotomy of things. The movie opens with this 220 minutes sequence where it's just him talking
about how badass he is, and then he fucks up the hit. And it's the best. It's the best thing I've
ever seen. It's so great. you know, David Fincher does this incredible thing where he knows you
want to watch Michael Fassbender murder someone. He's like, I'm going to play how soon is now by
the Smiths, and he's going to murder this person, and
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Tyler: you're going to think it's cool, you sick fuck. And he keeps cutting in and out of diegesis
with the how as soon as now just to, like, fuck with your brain. it's a very, very, very good
movie. Please, go check it out on Netflix. I got to see it in theaters, which was really, really
cool. Netflix, please release your movies in theaters, before you put them on your streaming
service. I would have liked to have seen may december in theaters as well. This has been my mini
Ted Sarandos Strand at the end.
O'Neil: Yeah, good movie.
Olivia: Spoon feeding the boys the killer. Here comes the airplane. What's this, miss?
O'Neil: just for the boys. Just for the boys. Let me stretch before I go on my rant. This is
gonna be a bullshit. Pretty big Rant.
Tyler: All right.
O'Neil: And starting now, my number two film, is killers of the flower moon. This was the best made
movie this year. this is an absolute stone cold masterpiece. And I think, flattening in the annals
of history, this will definitely stand out. I Saw things in this movie that I have never seen
before in movies, really. and it made me feel things that I've never felt before in movies. there's
been a sort of a, ah, dialogue about how this movie is too long, but when you get to the end of the
movie and you see Martin, Scorsese sort of lamenting that this is the best he could do, and it's
three and a half goddamn hours long. it really makes you sort of reflect on what that's not with
movies and media and why that's not what that's not. I revisited the Irishman, after this. and it
really empowers Martin Scorsese's, let's say, regret for what he's done with his career. A lot of
his, sort of depicting violence for the flashiness of it, instead of depicting the violence,
especially against these people, and sort of just this, dissection of their community. I definitely
like revisiting that and then revisiting that end scene. You really do feel, his regret for this is
the best he can do, and it's a fucking fantastic movie, but he still has regret for how he could
only tell this story this way. And, yeah, there are criticisms about it, like the fact that it's a
gangster movie, but it's set in the west, but it's Martin Scorsese doing his absolute best for a
story he believes is, absolutely empowering. Like, absolutely important. And it is. It's definitely
important. And, so I do find, after, like, revisiting all of that, the sort of dialogue or the sort
of conversation around that this movie is too long, I do just find inappropriate. But also a great
year for metamovies. I didn't mention this during american fiction, but, God, what a fucking
fantastic year for meta storytelling.
Tyler: O'Neil, shout out to when me and O'Neil saw that movie at. We got out at, like,
02:00 a.m. and 02:00 a.m. oh, my God, it blew us away. I need to revisit that one because the last
hour, I was definitely disassociating.
Olivia: So, I didn't see it. I heard mixed things about it and then did not go see it when I had
the opportunity.
Tyler: It's in my honorable mentions, but the more I think about it, I'm like, did I just not get
it? Did I just. Did I did I. Was I just too tired? yeah, I'm going to rewatch it. Yeah.
Olivia: Great.
O'Neil: So in cold masterpiece. All right, you can watch on an apple tv plus now. all right, let's
start with this one.
Tyler: Wait, Olivia. Did Olivia do too?
O'Neil: There's three minutes.
Tyler: Oh, yeah, you did.
Olivia: Last of us.
O'Neil: Olivia.
Tyler: Yeah.
O'Neil: Olivia, three minutes for your number one, I guess. Fucking go for it.
Tyler: My guy fucking cook.
Olivia: Okay. Okay, great. So my number one is, hoarse 2020 album unreal on earth. this fucking
album, it came out in September, October. It was my most listened to music. by November, my Spotify
rapt hoser was my top artist. I'm obsessed with this man. I truly, deeply love watching this man
perform. I love. He's just such an insanely good vocalist and a lyricist. And, like, I just have.
I'm fully, like, I'm chugging the hosier juice.
Like, it is fully. Like, I'm injecting it intravenously. I went and saw I'm not a big concert
person, and I'm so not a concert person. Ah. But this album came out, and I was, like, something,
like, shifted in my brain, and I was like, I gotta get tickets to this. I could not get tickets for
the Boston show. I tried. I literally was, like, wasting away on the couch because I was distraught
that I could not find tickets. My roommate texts me goes, hey, this is like months later, okay? The
Boston shows have already happened. They go, hey, are you working on Sunday-Sunday-Sunday night? I
went, yeah. And they went, no, you're not. We're going to see Hozier. And I was like, fuck it. Sign
me up, baby. So we drove to New Hampshire. We went, and they had not listened to the album yet. And
it is just so good. So if you haven't listened to it, it is loosely, but pretty much as a concept
album. it's based on Dante's, divine comedy. It's part of, the, it's the abyss. It's essentially,
the levels of hell. and every song goes through each level of hell. and it is so unbelievably good.
And
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Olivia: every song hits a different note. And there's so many interesting things about the
production. And, ah, he's just been cranking out bangers and, like, he had released the singles
earlier this year and, some of those didn't even make it onto the album. But it is such a tight
album that every single song hits. He collabs with Brandi Carlisle. He does
one that's entirely instrumental, but you... Really can see it is one of pushing masterpiece level,
with the amount of orchestration and just the fun that they had within. The music videos for, the
videos that did come out, for this one are so spectacular. the tour is absolutely insane. I'm going
to see it again. I'm driving to New York. I'm going north of Albany, to Saratoga Springs to go see
this show again. because it is so spectacular. I have the vinyl. I listen to it regularly. I fall
asleep to it. It has been the soundtrack for me for the last couple of months. I cannot say enough,
enough about it. And if it doesn't get a Grammy nom, I think I might bite my hand off. It is so
like chewing on the desk, clawing at the walls, gnawing on drywall. Like, that's where we're at.
It's so spectacular. Fucking get on this album. Unreal on earth.
Tyler: Wherever you stream music, eat your yogurt.
O'Neil: This album, you could say, eat your.
Olivia: Yolk is so good. Sorry, continue.
O'Neil: Could you say that this. This album took you to church?
Olivia: It took me to church. It took me behind the church. It made passionate.
Tyler: It took me behind the church and bent me over and showed me heaven. It is a good album. This
is one of the few new albums I listen to.
Olivia: The series showed me everything. It's so, so good. It's so unbelievably good, and I can't
wait to see it again.
O'Neil: All right.
Olivia: Oh, Madison Cunningham was so good as the opener, too. Fuck. Oh, my God. She was so good.
O'Neil: All right. Cooking up with that Tyler, your number one media of the year.
Tyler: Are you kidding me, cousin? Is it gonna be anything other than the bear season two? Are you
fucking kidding me, bro? Fucking the bear season two is so Tyler coded. There's nothing. What else
could it have been? Are you kidding me? A tot, like, intense, like, drama. Drama. A tense drama set
in a Chicago restaurant. That's me. It's me. It's me, bro. Are you kidding me? It's so fucking
good. They made this about me. I'm Carmi. I'm Carmi. No, I'm kidding. I'm not Carmi. Thank God.
It's so fucking. This is so good. If you haven't watched the bear, it's the best tv show on
television. Now that succession is off the air, it's fucking great. This was really the only thing.
This year's a killer. We're back. We're back. You know, cinema. It's here, and it's here to stay
until the strikes ruin everything again. but this is the only thing I Saw this year that truly
inspired me. It was the thing that, when I was done, like, I just sat in silence and stared when I
finished season two, I just sat in silence and stared at a wall for, like, I don't know, 30 minutes
thinking about it. it's the only thing that made me want to start writing and start creating. And I
had already finished multiple times. And it's just so good, the acting, and it's one of those where
the quiet moments are as powerful as the loud moments. everyone will talk about the episode in
season two. That is a bottle episode. That's a flashback to the family Christmas, to the Berzado
family Christmas. That is just has a truly unhinged Jamie Lee Curtis cameo and performance. you
know, fucking. The directors talked about fucking Bob Odenkirk. Bob Odenkirk shows up as a
character who in universe.
Well, you're like, why is Bob Odenkirk here? But then everybody else at the party is like,
why is that guy here? And he cast Bob Odenkirk in that role because he wanted the audience to feel
the same way as the characters were. Like, why is he here? It's just at every level, it's extremely
powerful. It's moving. It's about obsession and artistic value and IO Edda Beery is great. She's
killing it this year. Bottoms is also awesome. and I have so much to say about this show. I find it
hard to wrap it up in three minutes. Just go watch it. If you haven't, it's on Hulu. the episodes
are only 20 minutes long, except for the one big one in the middle of season. Season two. The
filmmaking is just top tier. Each episode feels like its own tight little short film. there's high
moments, there's low moments. It's everything television could and should be. God damn the bear.
You got me. You got me.
Olivia: Excellent. inside your my list. I think I would have finally get around to that round
break.
O'Neil: I started cracking into season one. I'm very excited to make that journey. Just got to make
time for it.
Tyler: Absolutely.
Olivia: Okay, boys. All right, hold on.
O'Neil: Let me have the extra time,
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O'Neil: because we're going to need all hands on deck for this. All right. Liver. and Tyler's
number five. And mine. Number one is Spider man across the spider verse. If
this doesn't get a fucking Oscar nomination, I'm going to. I'm going to.
Tyler: This doesn't win best picture. It's a shame.
Olivia: I swear to God. It is so technically so good. I was, like, speechless after I got out of
this movie.
O'Neil: Can I just give the overall, the overarching first, the overarching pitch for it? you know
how spider verse, one reinvented animation and said, hey, it doesn't all have to look like Pixar?
This one said, fuck you. Spit in its mouth, called it daddy, and then fucking reinvented animation
again. It's crazy, guys. How does it keep. They can't keep getting away with this. This is the best
animated movie of all time.
Tyler: Like, I would also put it up. That's not a hot take. It's one of. It's definitely up there.
This is the most pure expression of art I've ever seen.
Olivia: M.
Tyler: I watched it at home. I in theaters. I was like, is this the best movie of all time? And
then I watched it on Netflix again last week, and I was like, yes, this might be the best movie
ever made. It's so good.
Olivia: How is it so good?
O'Neil: And it's, And guys, guys, guys, it's Spider Man. I know.
Tyler: Guys, listen.
O'Neil: Marvel these movies.
Tyler: But it's so good. How is it so good? It has no right to be the best movie ever made.
Olivia: Is this our canon event? I don't understand what's happening.
O'Neil: Well, that's the great thing about Spider Verse is that it takes the meta aspect of what we
understand to be the Spider man story and also just like superhero stories and stories about trauma
and life and living and like, just like, what you experience. The fact that canon. This is why
canon event has made it into the fucking pop vernacular shows just how, relatable a Spider man
story can be. And this really examines it from, guys, literally every angle. It's insane.
Tyler: 2023 is the year in which. 2023 is the year in which we re examined what stories deserve to
be told and what stories and how we tell them. Like, look at killers of the flower moon and the
angle that went from May December is about how we view, like, pedophilia and media, and it's how to
blow up a pipeline and it's the last of us. And it's about re examining and Spider versus all of
that. It's like, all, do we tell these stories? Can you change your own story?
Olivia: It's so unbelievable, dude. The end of this movie, I genuinely was, like, speechless and I
was like, I know I've been sitting in the theater for 2 hours. I want to watch the rest of the
movie and there isn't anymore. And I have to wait a year now.
O'Neil: Two years now?
Olivia: No, it's two years now.
O'Neil: Real quick. I do want to go on a small, small Rant, which is in the digital release of it.
They did change, the opening segment of Spider, verse. I don't know if you've. If you've gone back
and watched it on Netflix. Opening is different from the theatrical one. The only way I know this
is because I went and saw it in theaters like six times. And I'm actually gonna go see it again, in
January with a, Q and a with lord Miller. But I. That's a question. Do we have an archive of the.
Yeah, do we have an archive of the original one? Because I. That original hit so fucking hard for
me. but, yeah, great film, great storytelling. What a fucking year for black cinema.
Olivia: It doesn't.
Tyler: The best line of all time.
Olivia: Hobie.
O'Neil: Yes.
Olivia: Fuck this. I quit the screen. Ready? Good. It's so good. Yes.
Tyler: IPhone.
Olivia: I know. A loud environment.
O'Neil: As we wrap out our year end. This will be our last, Hollywood Junior of the year. So let's
go ahead and hit honorable mentions. And I have a couple of dishonorable mentions as well. So let's
go ahead and hit them.
Tyler: First with their honorable mentions. Me. Should it be me?
O'Neil: I'll go mine. Mine are the weirdest ones, I think.
Tyler: yeah, yeah, you do. You go.
O'Neil: I think I have the weirdest ones. let's go ahead and say, I wanted to put these as my
number fives, but jujutsu Kai's in really fucking and slap me across the face. I still haven't even
finished the season, but brotato and vampire survivors, what a great year for a new invention for
video game style. I'm sure, Tyler, you have, Baldur's, gate on there. A, dishonorable mention for
me. Legend of tears of the kingdom. I don't get what the fuck people are talking about. It's an
okay game.
Olivia: Didn't get the hype.
O'Neil: It's fine. I don't get the hype. I finished it finally. did, you get the first game?
Olivia: You left the first game.
O'Neil: I didn't play the first game.
Olivia: Oh, you didn't play the first game? That's right.
O'Neil: I didn't play the first one. this is just Minecraft, but, you.
Olivia: Know, I did love the first one.
O'Neil: So weird physics. yeah, the first one, I think the puzzles probably were a little bit more,
made a little bit more sense in this one. This one, it's a lot more open. So the puzzles don't feel
as grabby. but brotato fucking what? Just a weird game. That is so
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O'Neil: fucking hooky. you can download it on your phone right now. It's like a dollar or something
like that. And it's just so much fun. It's just this little guy. You run around shooting, punching
these, the monsters. It's just round after round. It's a. It's a rogue light. and it's just so much
fun. Vampire survivors, very similarly. It's a mob style rogue light where you just fighting most
monsters. dungeons and dragons. Fucking shout out dungeons and dragons. The most fun I had at the
movie.
Olivia: So much fun.
Tyler: more fun than across the spider.
O'Neil: Treated fun for fucking nerds.
Olivia: Yeah. This is also across the spider verse.
O'Neil: I had tension.
Tyler: Dungeons dragon just tension is fun for me.
O'Neil: Fun.
Tyler: I want to.
Olivia: Crying, laughing.
O'Neil: I Saw Chubby dragon is the most I laughed at any sequence, any movie ever. I was dying.
Olivia: Like, it was just so real. It was just so real, like, and I went and saw it with my d and d
party, and it was just such, like, it was so, so good.
O'Neil: I kicked off the popcorn bucket craze with those 20 popcorn buckets. I wish I would have
gotten one. Still having one.
Olivia: M send it to me. My address is cheese.
O'Neil: and then also, dishonorable, mention Saltburn. What a fucking weird movie. White people
shouldn't be allowed to make movies for another year. because that's not. Okay. That's just a.
Olivia: No more white people movies until the second. Until the third. Spider verse.
Tyler: Thank you. Your number two movie is a white people movie.
O'Neil: It's italian. It's different. Another, I'll say I'm allowed to make movies.
Tyler: Thank God.
O'Neil: another honorable mention. I'll say. Bottoms for you guys to talk about. But another
honorable mention. The boy and the heron. I liked it. Hayao Miyazaki's m culmination, actually the
inverse of Saltburn, where it's a lot of things being said but not necessarily saying them with
plot versus saltburn, completely opposite. yeah, just a great year for the movies, guys.
Olivia: Yeah. Bottoms I needed to see and just never got around to it. But, yeah, I heard it was
very.
Tyler: Oh, no. Hey, I'll talk about bottoms right now. Honorable mentions. Bottoms. Really good.
Really funny. yeah, we know that. Oh, Neil knows the director through the grapevine. very, very
good. Enjoyable little comedy. I can't wait to see more.
Olivia: The writer. Okay.
Tyler: Okay, cool.
O'Neil: Writer.
Tyler: Star, writer, star.
Olivia: Oh, nice.
Tyler: Yes. and I, can't wait to see what they do next. I really like Shiva, baby. Their first
movie. You should check that one out. yeah, yeah. Good, good movie. other honorable mentions for
me, killers of Fire, Moon and Barbie were both right on the edge for me for putting in my top five.
But I knew you guys were going to talk about them, so I held off. I
also decided not to put Oppenheimer in there because I didn't want to completely boycott my top
five. I put may december in there just to try and mix things up a bit. I, really did. Like,
Oppenheimer is very good. It's probably going to win a lot of. Of stuff.
Olivia: Reality.
Tyler: let's talk about reality for a second. Reality is a film. Reality is a film. It's a HBO
original. star Sidney Sweeney as reality winner, the person who leaked the NSA documents about
spying on United States citizens. And the script of the film is just the FBI transcript of when
they arrived to interview and arrest her. There's so many weird
m. There's like a 20 minutes sequence where they have to corral her dog. It's a very strange movie
where you're like, this actually happened. Like, this happened. It is the. They cut to moments
where, like, the. The FBI people say stuff and they'll cut to the transcript and, like, highlight
the part of the transcript that they're reading. Very interesting movie. I liked it a lot.
Olivia: That's pretty cool.
Tyler: Also, past lives. Past lives. I wanted to put it in my top five, but the first hour is some
basic indie stuff that I'm not really into. But then about the last 45 minutes, once the. The guy
arrives from. From Korea to New York, is just like, elite. Like, fire. Top tier filmmaking elite
stuff. No, no, no. films. SB Nation. Shout out the history of the Minnesota Vikings and all of John
Boyce and Alex Rubenstein's good work on YouTube. If. If you aren't a sports person, this is how I
would recommend you enjoy sports time.
They've got a lot of good stuff. The one I recommend for people to start with is the Bob emergency.
It's a documentary about how Bob's are disappearing. It's very good.
O'Neil: You did pitch this to me. It's, very good.
Tyler: I pitched this to yesterday. It's very good. It's about the impact of Bob's in sports. And
at the end, you're, like, sad that no one in sports is named Bob anymore. It's very good. They have
a lot of other good ones. Baldur's gate three. It's the game I spent the most time with this year.
It's very good. That concludes our D and D trilogy of vox machina. The D and D movie in Baldur's
gate three, D's had its moment.
Olivia: And it's only going to get tastier. It's the 50th anniversary. Let's fucking go. I'm going
to be unbearable in 2024.
Tyler: And then speaking of Kendrick Lamar, Mister Merrill, and the big Steppers, his new album is
really good. I don't have. I don't have more to say than it's then. It's a good album.
O'Neil: Banger. Banger. Banger.
Tyler: If you probably already have. If you like Kendrick, but, Yeah, those are my. Those are my,
Oh, the holdovers. The holdovers. Good movie, this elite, top tier Christmas movie. If you. If
you're looking for a Christmas movie this year with your family, watch the holdovers.
Olivia: Yes.
Tyler: That's it.
Olivia: I would like to officially add that to my honorable mentions. I love the holdovers.
my honorable mentions. The birth of
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Olivia: my nephew. I got a whole new family member.
Tyler: Wait. It's been great.
O'Neil: Was that shot on 8 mm? Should I have included that?
Tyler: I got married.
Olivia: New wife just dropped. yeah, yeah.
O'Neil: Oh, yeah. You didn't put your fucking wedding Podcast in your top five. Tyler shows how
much you love about fucking you love may December better than the wedding spot.
Tyler: I cut our oscars Pod in our top five.
O'Neil: Shit. Yeah, that's. That was this year, huh?
Tyler: Oh, God.
O'Neil: Our oscars are obsessed with Dunder Mifflin hype.
Olivia: Yeah. Yeah. so my honorable mentions are a little weird, but they were just the
pieces of media that I consumed this year that were specifically made this year that I love the
most. Song just because it was, like, my top song for, like, two months was Planet of the base.
Just because it's so silly. I love a comedy song. I really do. ninja sex party ended up being in my
top five artists, and I didn't mean to do that, but there has to be a comedy artist in my Spotify
rep every year, to sort of transition from that. Dan, Aveden, who's the lead singer of ninja sex
party, is also one of the game grumps, the grumps, et cetera. And their video, trying every kit Kat
flavor we could find, genuinely made me piss myself. Like, that's not a joke. I peed my pants
laughing at that video.
There's one section that I just absolutely lost my mind in terms of other stuff. Yes. The
holdovers. Yes. The D and D movie and, the webtoon comic suitor armor. Big fan of that one. It's
doing some stuff that I wasn't expecting. it's on hiatus right now, but there's a good, like, 90,
80, 90 episodes. Very big fan of the comic thing right now. But, yeah, those are. Those are my. Oh,
fuck. Scavenger's reign.
O'Neil: Mmm.
Olivia: I didn't think about it till just now. Scavenger's reign was so fucking good. Honestly, I
wish I had remembered that. Cause it might have hit top five. Scavenger's reign was phenomenal. It
was so super blue eyes.
Tyler: It was doing stuff that I hit recently.
Olivia: Yes, I heard that was also pretty good. Scavenger's reign is really, like, in terms of
creature design and world building, absolutely spectacular. I've never seen anything like it. It is
absolutely spectacular. And I got. I hope that they renew it for a second season. I have not been
able to shut the fuck up about it. It's so good. Scavengers rain on Max is so good.
O'Neil: All right, well, ladies and gentlemen, and they haven't of all ages, thank you for joining
us for another episode of Hollywood Junior Gen Z's take on Hollywood and media and entertainment.
We'll see you guys next week with some more Pod, Pod, Pod.
But as we say every week, I.
Tyler: Want to make movies, mom.
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