FEED DROP: The Wrapout | You Might Be Wondering How We Got Here

You Might Be Wondering How We Got Here was a sound designed D&D podcast played by Olivia Fumiatti, Tyler Carcara, and Jesse Norrell and DMed and produced by, O’Neil Henry. It ran from 2018 to 2022 with over 109 episodes, with a previous season DM’ed by Kai Medina spun off as YMBW The Pattern Saga.

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O'Neil: Hello and Welcome to the wrap out. I'm O'Neil Henry. You might be wondering how we got here

was the sound design dungeons and Dragons Podcast, played by Olivia Fumioti, Tyla Carcara, and

Jesse Norrell and Dmed, and produced by myself, O'Neil Henry. It ran from 2018 to 2022 with over

109 episodes. With a previous season, Dmed by Kai Medina spun off as YmBW, the pattern saga.

Welcome all to the show.

Olivia: Oh, boy, oh, boy, oh, boy. We're back.

O'Neil: Welcome, Welcome, Welcome. Jesse, Olivia, tyler. How you guys feeling?

Olivia: Ready to stroll and or scream as if I'm on fire down memory lane. Ready to. Ready to go

over four years of show.

Tyler: remember when we did this instead of hang out like regular friends?

Olivia: Remember when our friendship wasn't just podcasting, but remember when our friendship was

just podcasting?

O'Neil: Yeah. Yeah.

Olivia: And now we go to each other's weddings. I don't know.

O'Neil: Yeah. Jessie, how are you feeling?

Jessica Norrell: A bit sad. I kind of liked having this, on pause because it meant that there was a

chance.

Tyler: Oh, yeah.

O'Neil: We'll see if there's something else maybe at the end of this that we could announce or work

through our talk through, but. So, for this episode, we'll be wrapping out the second season of the

Swat saga, Swat discovery, just as a brief overview of the world. It was an urban fantasy mystery

where the world of fantasy was kept separate from the world of mortals. At first, you guys worked

for a secret organization called SWat, the society of the weird and terrifying, essentially men in

black of this world to keep the society men m in black. But fantasy, which collapsed at the end of

season one, where you guys were. Where the worlds of magic and society merged, and then you get,

like, a real urban fantasy. And we have our three main characters. Would you guys like to introduce

yourselves and your characters, please?

Olivia: Yeah.

Tyler: Cool.

Olivia: Great. I'm Olivia Fumioti. I played cash Warner as well as Nelson Bigby. I almost forgot

his damn last name. But I played, several different paths. Monk and a artificer, Nelson Bigby.

Jessica Norrell: And that was quite soon after artificer was made official, too.

Tyler: Yeah, it was like, just to tell you how long ago. Just to tell you how long ago we

were recording these.

Olivia: It wasn't on d and D beyond at the time. Like, that's where we were.

Tyler: Tyler j. Cacara. I play Wesley Barrett.

O'Neil: Tyler Carcara.

Tyler: No, Jay yet. I hadn't evolved into my final form. And I played, Wesley Barrett. a sorcerer.

Wild, magic sorcerer. We're a bunch of nerds. I haven't played. We've done this in a while. We're a

bunch of fucking nerds, man.

O'Neil: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Jesse.

Jessica Norrell: I played Julie Davenport. she was a fighter, ex army, and, usually the most

serious one of the group, which was quite fun.

O'Neil: yeah. I have here in the character descriptions, Wes Barrett, a chaotic sorcerer, cash

Warner, an arguably more chaotic monk, Nelson Bigley, a slightly less chaotic artificer, and Julie

Davenport, a much less chaotic army woman. So, as we do with the wrap out, I think it's first time

to start with, why didn't this work? Why didn't we reach the final conclusion of YMVW? Do you guys

have any insights into this first?

Olivia: We graduated. That's a big part of it. We graduated college. It doesn't not have dedicated

time while, we were all sort of tossed to the winds. You know, Jesse was moving and you were moving

out to LA, and Tyler was going to Chicago, and I was back in Connecticut, and it was like, you

know, let's just really fuck this up. and getting,

like, time zones. Everyone's like, jump starting new careers and in my case, trying not to do that,

you know, and I think it, like, genuinely became a thing of, like, life got in the way, because we

kind of left the scheduling bubble of Boston University's campus, even though we went international

briefly, you know, to get Tyler while he was in London, which is crazy. Cause that means Tyler was

the first of three people that I would end up playing dungeons and dragons with online who were in

London at one point or another while we were playing. but I think that is the biggest part of it.

And I think also because, again, we were all graduating college, we were all just burnt out as

hell. and, like, finding the energy to be like, I have to do school and also be funny this weekend.

Oh, no. You know, was, I think, one of the. One of the contributing factors to it.

O'Neil: Jesse, Tyler, any other thoughts?

Tyler: Oh, well, we weren't making any. We weren't making any money off

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Tyler: of it. It's kind, if we want to get down to brass tacks, it's a lot of work to put together

one of these. And, we weren't making any money off of it, so it wasn't worth doing it any longer.

We weren't getting. We weren't gaining a listener base. we had stagnated.

O'Neil: That hasn't stopped us.

Tyler: That has stopped us since.

Olivia: But far less work, though.

Tyler: The pop up on is far less work.

O'Neil: True.

Tyler: you know, it's not sound designed. It's, you don't, we don't have to do any serious writing

beforehand.

Olivia: It's not an eight hour recording commitment.

Tyler: Like, it's, you just kind of like, I have a silly idea and you get on and you record. With

the exception of a couple, we really, we really went for the ymbw. Intense energy on a handful of

pots.

O'Neil: But really a couple episodes. Yeah, a couple episodes, but much less, consistent.

Tyler: Yeah, exactly.

O'Neil: Jesse?

Jessica Norrell: I genuinely don't know because I've always been, I've always kind of had a open

schedule. So whenever you guys wanted to record, I would have been available.

Olivia: Damn.

Tyler: calling us out.

Olivia: Yeah.

Jessica Norrell: And I've, one of the first things I brought out when I moved to Arizona was the

microphone.

Olivia: Jesse really said, work for the relationships that matter to you.

O'Neil: so for me, and I think just as an overview, there's a couple of reasons why just discovery

was sort of destined to fail from the start. One, the scope of the story just got way too large.

Season one of YNBW SWAT was 69 episodes.

Olivia: Nice.

Tyler: unintentionally, by the way.

Tyler: You can't tell me otherwise.

O'Neil: Oh, 1000%. I squinched that last episode. Could have been two episodes, but definitely

squinch it out to just make it one. season two would have been double that easily. and as you'll

see, like, there was big plot and we had already recorded as an overview for this episode. There

are things that we have recorded that actually haven't been published yet. And then there are the

things that you guys don't know about your characters and the story that happened after that. So

we'll have to catch the audience up and then we'll need to catch you guys up to the final story.

Olivia: The scale is definitely, like, a big thing. And, like, trying to remember everything when

we weren't playing so consistently I think did cause us to suffer a little bit.

Jessica Norrell: I remember another issue was we kept having separate bits.

Olivia: Yes, we were separated a lot.

Tyler: It made it really, really hard to record when it was like, we have one time a week to record

but, like, everyone has to do it separately.

Olivia: I'm gonna sit over here and wonder when I'm gonna be ready. like, you know, when are they

gonna call me back on set, you know? Yeah.

Jessica Norrell: Like, the two of us would be in recording jail and sometimes I would, in recording

jail? Yeah. Sometimes I would meet myself,

Tyler: Like an --

Tyler: --hour and a half.

Jessica Norrell: Sometimes I wouldn't. Sometimes I would mute myself. Sometimes I wouldn't. But I

would. Just because I figured if O'Neil ever would listen back to it, maybe there'd be funny stuff

to put in.

Olivia: We'd be riffing, like, me occasionally.

O'Neil: Yeah, yeah. I'll also say that just in general, the reason why this didn't work is it was a

lot of work to produce these episodes. That's like, the sound design, the actual quality of the

work. Olivia briefly produced a couple of episodes for, a Christmas special we did just to give

myself a break. And Olivia, you want to lend insight into how long it

took you to make those.

Olivia: Took me a hot minute. And again, I was like, I had to source everything from free

libraries. I didn't have a library to pull from. And was like, hope that's fair use. And worrying

about owning actual sound. And so I'm like, okay, I know. Cause it was nutcracker themed. I know

the nutcracker is in the public domain and all this other stuff. So being able to pull from that,

that was one of the reasons why I did let's get cracking. where I was like, it's free use, and that

gives automatic sound. so playing into that and, like, I am not, at the time, had done little to no

sound editing in my time. And one of the other things that we dealt with that was a pain in the

ass. That took so much longer than it needed to was all of my recording issues that I had that we.

That we, like, happened in the last year. I, like, had really, really bad recording issues and had

to go back and dub episodes. And if you think about it, these are episodes that are like eight hour

recording sessions. And I'm going through and recording, like, 2 hours of audio, you know, for each

session separately, trying to, like, match the energy of the real time.

Jessica Norrell: So I had to do it at least once.

Tyler: And I remember it was the worst thing I've ever had to do.

Olivia: It was. It was painful and I had to do. And I think I had to do it at least four or five

times.

O'Neil: Yep, yep, yep, yep. that was another thing is, like, also technical issues with uploading

your audio. There are some times when I had to chase you guys down for your audio files. Now, if it

was. If we started now with Riverside and everything we use to record now, it might have been a

little bit easier.

Olivia: But, yeah, the technology needed to evolve for, like, remote recording like this.

Tyler: Yeah, if we'd done this post Covid, it would have been a lot easier.

O'Neil: Yeah, yeah, 1000%. And, that's the last reason why I think this didn't quite work. Is that

season one was during COVID We

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O'Neil: hit the finale during COVID And all of my ambitious writing was during COVID When we were

locked down, we weren't. It was a more remote world, and we could spare the time for stuff like

this. Now it's just, like, a little bit too hectic to. To manage this large of a project. But I do

want to give it its due respect, and it's due. It's due story for all. All that we invested in. So

I want you guys to ruminate and enjoy the story and chime in, as always, with stuff that.

Jessica Norrell: Can I start?

O'Neil: hold on. Before we do that, I want to get the audience caught up with where we were at the

beginning of season two.

Jessica Norrell: Fine.

O'Neil: So season two started out. If you want to know the events of season one, there's a great

recap episode, just a bit show, essentially, of all of season, one called episode season two,

episode zero. Before we get into, like, the actual story aspects of it, I just want to briefly go

over some of the themes of SWAT with you guys. So I mentioned

many times that you all had written season two, and I genuinely believe that was true because the

goal of season two was just to tie up all of the loose threads that you guys set out in season one.

So all of the core conflicts in some way or fashion were motivated by you guys. But some of the

themes of SWAT discovery, which was season two's, like semicolon, if season one was investigations,

sort of like playing on our perception of who we are and where we all fit in the world, was sort of

where I was going with it. It will surprise no one that this was actually sort of a tie in with, I

think, a lot of the media that we get now, where it's very reflecting the media we consume and the

media that we know and a reflection of where we are, the stories we tell, who we think we are.

Jessica Norrell: So, like, that was a big one for Julie, who she thinks she is versus what she.

Versus what is right in the moment.

O'Neil: Where she thinks she comes from. Mm Yeah. 1000% for cash. Who he thinks he is, what he was

dealing with for Wes, what he is, like, where he gets his magic from, that sort of story. Another

just general theme was like space. We had a couple of space themed stories and episodes, and then

generally the theme that everybody else is, again, sort of reckoning with in 2023, whether it's

killers of the Flower moon or Barbie, it's just like what we consume, how media starts and

everything like that, and a reflection of that. And so episode zero was being voiced over from

jack, which was actually set in the future of the story. So that was him retelling over the course

of season two, we were gonna get essentially voiceover from jack of him telling us what had

happened. So with that, there are things in the story in that first q one through q three that went

on. and I think it's time to get into spoiler territory.

Olivia: So when was our last recording session? O'Neil, do we have the date?

Jessica Norrell: September 18, 2022.

Olivia: Okay, so we got to, like, the end of the summer after post grad. And that was.

Jessica Norrell: Yeah, we did. There was m one session after I moved to Arizona, and that was it.

Olivia: Okay, so it's been m. a while.

Jessica Norrell: Yeah, it's been a year and a half.

O'Neil: Yeah, a year and a half.

Tyler: Should we give, like, the barest of outlines for anyone who doesn't want to go back and

listen to a two hour recap podcast in another scenario?

Jessica Norrell: Like, I can start. So Julie SWAT collapsed due to magic becoming public knowledge

and a new organization formed that was quasi military. And Julie immediately joined that and began

working with them. And it was a very similar job to what SWAT was, where it was like, go and take

care of this problem that's magicy related. But there started to be some problems, some disconnects

between what the organization was doing and what Julie wanted to do.

O'Neil: I. Yep.

Tyler: Yeah, go ahead. I was just going to very briefly go is like, after the end of season one,

where the magic world collided, I became sort of a street wizard. I don't know, how

do you describe it? Dresden files style? Batman, figure. I tried to be a Batman figure in the city

of Chicago. Just taking care of issues for the little guy.

O'Neil: And what did cash get up to?

Olivia: Yeah, he fucked off. went globetrotting and went to go find himself in another country. Big

surprise there, as you do when you come back for a spiritual, spiritual journey. yes.

O'Neil: Ah, in one of my favorite episodes, they're truly, truly, truly season two, the Temple of

Iron.

Olivia: Yes. Was throwing rocks and shit. yeah, so he sort of refound his zest for life, and he

gets sort of involved with this Mister dusk figure that I think we were sort of teetering towards

the edge of figuring out. Maybe I was a little slow on the uptake there, but definitely had the

seeds of what kind of stuff he would be dealing with going into the second season.

O'Neil: and we also had guests, which was sort of heartbreaking

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O'Neil: that we never actually got to publish those episodes. So we published all the q one through

q four sort of mini arc things where we were kind of playing d and d, but we weren't playing d and

d, sort of time skipping around, and a lot of mysteries were laid out in terms of, like, al

Shalaran, one of the big bads, this big dragon, end up dead story, stuff happens, and outlandish

portals start.

Tyler: We haven't even mentioned the outlands as a concept. Like, that's how, like, deep this went,

where it was. Like, so much lore went into. Like, it's so hard to explain this show where if you

weren't listening to. I don't think any particular episode was particularly lore dumpy, but they're

just, like, so much. We recorded so much.

Jessica Norrell: The Outlands were very, The most references they got, I think, was in the finale

of season one where we had Michael Mouse. I think it was.

Tyler: Well, hang on. Very quickly, for people who aren't going to go back. Yes.

O'Neil: Very quickly, an overview of the Outlands. The Outlands, essentially were human stories

that existed in real space. Like, somehow. And this was gonna be. This was the. This was the

central core concept of.

Tyler: Like, season one and two is like, the. But it's this? Like, it's.

O'Neil: But it's the Outlands? And again, reflecting on how we tell stories and what stories are

and how we experience stories and stuff like that, that was the mystery that we're gonna solve. Why

are stories that we tell as humans exist in the real world? And what does that mean? Like, what

does it mean that Mickey Mouse, aka Michael Mouse, actually exists?

Olivia: Steamboat is now in the public domain.

Tyler: So steamboat Willie, you could have. You could have called him steamboat Willie.

O'Neil: Steamboat Willie could have gone with Steamboat Willie. We missed out on

that. but before we get to that big mystery and that spoiler, let's just quickly catch up the

audience to where we actually recorded to. So we, Unfortunately, the last episode that I published

was the first spirit realm episode of Back to Boston, which was our first, like, major arc because

there were audio issues and it was hard to fix.

Jessica Norrell: The really funny one.

O'Neil: It's really dark one, with the.

Olivia: Was this the one with the challenger?

Jessica Norrell: Yeah.

Olivia: Okay.

Jessica Norrell: Okay, good, because I love that session so much. If that one wasn't published, I

would have asked.

Olivia: I would have been like, to be.

Tyler: Honest, I don't remember this at all.

Jessica Norrell: The challenger we did at a. You were. You were playing Michael.

Tyler: yes. The challenger. Okay, yeah, yeah, I'm following.

O'Neil: Yes. Let me give. Let me give a. Let me just give a recap for the audience so that

way they can all sort of get in on this. So another mechanism of this show was the spear realm,

which essentially was like a parallel story that was always going to give you themes and sort of

beats of the story that you guys were going to. It was an excuse to do a flying.

Jessica Norrell: I think one time it was like, oh, we had to walk backwards in the spirit realm. So

what if we walk backwards in the real dungeon? Like, it would give us hints if we were smart enough

to pay attention.

O'Neil: Yeah, yeah, exactly. and so for this one, I wanted to revamp your characters in the spirit

realm so, you know, worlds colliding, new spirit avatars. Cash learns the spirit realm spell. Wes

plays his deceased uncle Michael. Cash plays Jack, another major character, the sort of narrator

character, Jack's sister. And Julie becomes her father's first wife, quote unquote, father's

deceased first wife. And so they play out the stories and, at the end, jack's, Cash's spirit avatar

dies at the end of that session. And it's very confusing and it doesn't quite make sense as to,

like, why this is happening.

Jessica Norrell: Oh, and it was also like, is cash gonna die in this mission now?

Olivia: Yeah.

O'Neil: Yes, exactly. That was the big question. And it ended with the challenger explosion.

Jessica Norrell: We were unable to prevent challenger.

O'Neil: But then you guys are given your mission, essentially to break Wes's mother,

who is the reaper, another big bad character who. Big twists of season one.

Tyler: It doesn't at that point.

Olivia: Yeah.

Jessica Norrell: yeah, so, yeah, we did know.

O'Neil: That she was brainwashed at that point.

Jessica Norrell: There was something wrong with her. We needed to get her out of a prison facility

that was located in the Boston Commons.

O'Neil: Yes. Where, in the previous season, they had gone and essentially destroyed the commons and

was rebuilt for this military facility.

Tyler: Dude, our lore was so remembering this, remembering our lore almost as an outsider now. It's

so complex.

Olivia: It is so kelvin.

Jessica Norrell: We had to spend God knows how long in the sewers. We spent so many sessions.

Olivia: God.

Jessica Norrell: In the sewers.

O'Neil: We spent one session in the sewer and one session in the. Beneath the prison.

Jessica Norrell: It was at least two in the sewer.

Tyler: I think you. No, Jesse.

O'Neil: I just think it was Just one because we had a special guest because.

Tyler: We had the sewer. And then there was also the stuff with all the, Plants.

O'Neil: Plants?

Jessica Norrell: Yeah. I don't know.

O'Neil: Yeah. so for context, they had to sneak underneath. There are two characters they meet

beneath the prison before doctor, Hezekron and their family and her former assistant. And they have

a conflict

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O'Neil: there. Again, it was about tying up these loose threads. So we tied up those loose threads

so they defeat. I think her name is Clara, the doctor. The doctor's assistant. And then they use

the basement environment, the plant facility, to distract the guards and do this prison break. They

break out Emily, Wes's, mother. There's an emotional scene there. another special guest we had on

Megan Antone was, a former person that they engage with as well. And then they. They begin closing

out this portal and they fight this crazy outlander, this. This outlander that's all void and

black, much

like a previous antagonist, the game master, another previous antagonist, entropy. And they fight

and then they die, and then they are brought back to life. But we encounter one of the previous

spirit realm avatars that wes played, gimel. And he brings it back to life and they kill this

outlander and cash and Wes escape. Julie stays to reckon with one of the generals, General Malo,

and they escape. They have their recaps, but they find out that the plane of air disappears. And so

that was something that I was setting up... For a long time, was, these different planes. And

actually, if you take a look at our logo. Olivia, would you mind pulling up the Swat discovery logo

for me? if you take a look at our logo, I had planned to, over the course of this story, remove the

different planes that were going to disappear as the story went on.

Tyler: Hey, O'Neil, can I give you a small shout out for the names? Like, there were at least 100

named characters in this show, and they were all. You came up with some pretty good ones, like,

good job. I don't know.

O'Neil: Came up with some good ones and some not so great ones that we don't have to revisit.

because they were instantly forgettable. But anyway, so that's, that was the first arc, and we

played through that, and then we had the next arc where you find out that your next mission is on

your.

Olivia: Yes.

Jessica Norrell: So then the next mission was in the astral plane, where we still are to this day.

O'Neil: Yes. that's where we sort of ended our session, unfortunately. So again, catching the

audience up really quickly, your next mission's in the astral sea. You guys go into

the spirit realm, you find out that you're actually. This time you're going backwards in time. Also

that Michael and Jack used to bone down.

Olivia: I forgot they were porking.

O'Neil: Representation, baby.

Olivia: A lot of very casual queer representation in YMBW that we did not really.

O'Neil: Hi Ted tried to get it in there. No, unfortunately, we missed a lot. And that also, Heidi

got this figuret of baby Jesus from Jack, which ties into a bigger mystery.

Jessica Norrell: And if you had told us that Julie found that you were gonna do that Trinity

illusion, I would not have made her such an overtly jewish character.

O'Neil: But that's what it makes it so great. And that's why I said, you have to trust, because

we're going backwards in time. It was given from Jack. It wasn't given to her. so, anyway, to get

back on track, you guys start your mission. You start sailing the astral seas. I think this is when

we had probably the most amount of fun. But also, this was, like, our longer sessions. you guys

encounter a ship that takes you to the dock city, but you guys enter the plane of dreams for a

moment and get to the game masters dreams. And now, Wes, would you like to, Or not? Wes Tyler,

would you like to break the first seal of spoilers for what was going on with Wes?

Tyler: Yeah. so I had. This whole time, we had all our breakout sessions. One of my breakouts was

that, I had a. I don't know. I don't know what the best. I'm trying to think of an illusion, but I

can't think of a comparison to any form of media.

O'Neil: I made a deal with the devil.

Tyler: I made a deal with the devil. Master was in my brain. I was talking to him. I was getting

information from him.

Olivia: You block piece of shit.

Tyler: So, well, essentially, it was, like, there was, like, a handful of information where you

guys were like, how does wes know this? Like, you're like, well, it was his own individual time. He

figured that out on his own time. It was because I was talking to the bad guy, and basically, we

were trading information where, like, I could ask questions, and he could ask questions, and, like,

we had to answer, like, type of thing. and eventually, one for one.

O'Neil: So he was giving information on you guys and your mission, and he was.

Tyler: Getting exactly what the exact piece of information was. But there was a really vital piece

of information that we needed for this mission that we didn't have. And in order to get it, I took

a level in warlock. yep.

O'Neil: And he became a chaos warlock, which I built out a whole class for. It was a whole thing,

but, yeah, so wes became a chaos warlock, and there were things that were going to come up that

would have influenced that and pushed that further. Yeah. And again, building that tension in

between the classes and the characters, but also, another, like, wrinkle of this was like one of

the reveals was like, wes was able to use a cell phone.

Olivia: Oh, yeah.

Tyler: You can use a phone now. And I was like, yeah, they made it better.

O'Neil: Yeah. So they tamped down his chaos magic

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O'Neil: so that he was able to use technology again.

Tyler: There were a couple notes. It was. It was. I was able to use technology. I had dark vision.

I had devil sight, so I could see in the dark. There was a moment where you guys were like, we need

a light. And I was like, oh, no, it's over there. And you guys are like, wait, how you. How can you

see that? I was like, oh, magic.

O'Neil: Yep.

Tyler: Magic thing.

O'Neil: And it was gonna come into play.

Jessica Norrell: Dark vision. You had demons, something or other.

Tyler: You said I had devil's sight.

Olivia: Sight. Oh, my God.

O'Neil: So, yeah, a lot of stuff was building up to this. And then in that dream sequence, wes has

a one on one meeting with the game master where we find out that the game master is actually

Robert, the bad guy from the spirit realm of story, for one.

Jessica Norrell: I think we did know that.

Tyler: You guys did know that though.

O'Neil: Yeah. You guys knew that. That was the big reveal, that session.

Tyler: Olivia's like, oh, hell yeah. That probably was a really good twist. I don't remember it.

Olivia: I remember stuff we were talking about in game while we were recording. I had terrible,

terrible memory issues at that time. I'm much better now.

O'Neil: Oh, yeah, that's right, you had one.

Olivia: of the issues that I was having with these episodes at this time is that I was currently, I

was dealing with this weird sleep seizure thing. Not to get too medical about it, but I was having

these things that were majorly affecting my memory on top of everything else that I was dealing

with at the end of post grad. So I was like, o'Neill, you've got to help me, bro. I got to remember

what happened last session. Please help.

Jessica Norrell: Your reaction for Jennifer.

O'Neil: I started having to keep notes for Olivia, which was another thing. Yeah, that's

true. so that was one of the big reveals. another thing was cash found out that somehow a shaldaran

was alive through his connection with Mister Dusk.

Olivia: Yes.

O'Neil: do you want to, You probably don't even remember everything about.

Olivia: The Mister dusk room because Mister Dusk was.

O'Neil: Yes. Mister Dusk was also Oberon, also elf fame's husband. He was the elf of chaos elf. I

don't know, society.

Olivia: Yeah, I understood that he was like fae court royalty, but I was also trying to remember

because my task was to find Misses dawn. And yes, who was l fame, which I had guessed at the time.

I wasn't sure if that was confirmed or not, but yes. So I was doing some fae shenanigans or trying

to get to some fey shenanigans.

O'Neil: Yeah, that's a good. In between these sort of stories, cash did a side flash forward

mission to the hanging gardens of Babylon, which is actually just this massive fae city that floats

above the, atlantic Ocean, where he did chaos stuff for a little bit. He certainly did. so back in

the astral sea, you guys have another little side story where we introduce another guest who is.

Jessica Norrell: We met Sildur's daughter.

O'Neil: Yes, sildur's daughter, Princess Odiana Faetrus. We had another special guest, Sam Martin.

Jessica Norrell: She had such a great bit where whenever she would walk up to someone, she'd go,

hey, hot stuff, whatcha doing? And then, like, rolling and, like, rolling persuasion to get them to

tell her what she, they want, what she wanted. And it always succeeded because she was, very

charming. This was the last session we did.

Olivia: Okay, there you go.

O'Neil: This was the last session we did him.

Olivia: Rihanna.

Jessica Norrell: It was really.

O'Neil: So you restored this guy. Got a little bit of like that, that understanding of, like,

these, these ghost people are just, you know, one step away from being these, like, chaotic,

gassed, oh, my God.

Olivia: I just remember Nelson.

O'Neil: Embarked towards the bastion of the unfair unborn souls, you.

Olivia: Guys embarked us towards the bastion of the unborn souls.

O'Neil: Julie's mother and the captain was Julie's mother. And that was the final big twist. Reveal

is that Julie's mother, who had passed away of cancer in the previous season, was a ghost with

unfinished business in this astral scene. So I was obviously gearing up... For a lot of twists and

turns and big reveals. Are you guys ready? Are you

buckled in?

Jessica Norrell: Am I allowed to say my secret yet?

O'Neil: can we save you? I have a specific moment. Can we save yours? Yours. Julie's big special

twist.

Jessica Norrell: They know it, but they don't know the intricacies.

O'Neil: They don't know the Jesse.

Olivia: I don't remember a goddamn thing. So this is the, remember the one.

Tyler: Bit at the end where they let us, Olivia, remember the part where they let us stay? And

Jessie went and talked to her boss and her boss is like, tell me everything you know. And Jesse's

like a mole. Like a narcissistic rat. That's right.

Olivia: Yeah.

Tyler: That's all we know, though. We knew that Jesse was a narc.

O'Neil: We didn't get that, I promise. Just let me, let me cradle you guys. Let me cradle you guys.

Jessica Norrell: I mean, tell you what was going on. And we had to, like, hit cut.

O'Neil: Yep.

Tyler: I like intentionally. Every conversation I had with. With your charact, with jewelry, with

your character, I was just like, yeah, I

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Tyler: just know. I just really trust you.

Jessica Norrell: One of the best bits was I gave you a device that was very obviously like a

recording thing, but you had the ring that made you greedy.

O'Neil: So you took it. Okay, we'll get there.

Tyler: Let's.

O'Neil: Let's finish out the astral sea arc. Are you guys ready to have the astral sea arcs world

for you? I didn't come up with a good name for this arc, by the way.

Olivia: Buckles pulling along.

Tyler: So tell us a story, papa.

O'Neil: And another thing really quick. There was the conversations where, cash had his encounter

with Mister Dusk, where he found out that Ashal Doran was somehow still alive. Ashal Doran, this

big, evil, nasty red dragon, chased down one of Mister Dusk's little, nymphs that would run around

and spy on things. Wes had a conversation with, the game master. Julie was having dreams that were

just recaps of what you guys saw, but they were playing back and pausing and zooming in somehow,

like, recapping

and pointing out important information from her dreams that were. That you guys had seen. All

right, so continuing on with the astral sea story. So what was going to happen? This is all just

what was going to happen? This is all up in the air. I want you guys to, like, chime.

Jessica Norrell: In or, like, the major beats.

O'Neil: Yes, the major beats. I, want you guys to chime in if you think things would have gone

differently, what you guys would have reacted to, how you would have reacted to all this. Here we

go. So, at the beginning of the next session, we would have done, the Joseon seizure. These grim

reapers, these korean grim reapers that were stalking cash, you know, since. Yeah, they touched my

meat stick, would have shown up on the boat, and killed Jack. They would have plucked Jack's

silver, in the astral sea. You all have your silver cords. They would have pulled Jack, silver

cord. and he would have, you know, disappeared. So that would have killed him. And then you guys

would have had to fight them, and then you would have gotten a little bit more information on the

bastion of unborn souls. Obviously, Ashal Doran was former King, governor, whatever you want to say

of the bastion of unborn souls. And there was this tiered system where a series of floating islands

got to the top. This beautiful light, that's all been gone to shit. Once you would have arrived to

the bastion of unborn souls, you would have seen almost the inverse of that, where at the top is

the darkest, and at the bottom, it gets slightly less dark, and at the bottom, which was the

eternal stockade, you would have seen those series of islands just exploded into dust. And so just

like a series of, so that the prisoners of the bastion of unborn souls were loose in the city. So

eventually, you guys would have, you know, tried to figure out, you would have found out that Nat

Davenport, Julie's father, quote unquote, was actually imprisoned. The pirates that you guys

encountered were a rebel force. Nelson was a part of it.

Olivia: Amen.

O'Neil: And you guys were essentially going to make a raid on the bastion of immortals to try to

defeat this person who, you know, defeated Ashaldaron. So you guys would have, there's a bit of

tension there. You lost Jack. You don't know how to get back all that stuff. So I'm gonna get the

most specific here because I had actually built all this stuff out. So on the island, the main

island that you guys would have gone to start this raid on, you guys would have seen a series of

statues holding hands, winged statues holding hands on the outskirts of the island, all just facing

out motionless. Any guesses as to what that would have been?

Olivia: I mean, did we have the giant statues in the spirit realm thing?

O'Neil: You did have the giant statues in the spirit realm, but these would have been slightly

smaller. They were in a humanoid size, winging angels statues all staring out.

Olivia: They would have been weeping angels.

O'Neil: No, they would have been weeping angels from doctor who. If you would have blinked, they

would have attacked you.

Olivia: The explanation of the outlands is, like, this is, you know, human stories come to, you

know, a reality. So were your, like, influence for this pulling from, like, media?

Cause, like, we obviously talked about, like, aubrey, too, and, like, all these other, like, you

know, homages, like, some fun.

Tyler: References to, like, I think one of.

Olivia: The things that I was just worried, like, that I wasn't picking up with a lot of outlander

stuff because I wasn't sure. I was like, are we really, like, pulling, like, I wasn't sure how much

was actually being pulled from, like, real world media. And I think that's where I was getting

confused and not connecting the dots because I was like, surely it can't be this direct kind of

analog pulled from a piece of media where they weren't necessarily yoinked entirely like, you put

your own spin on them.

O'Neil: But, yeah, that was intentional. That was intentional. One, to avoid copyright law, and

two, to sort of give you a sense of mystery around, like, what is really going on out here. And

trust me, we'll get there. so you would have fought these weeping angels. You would have entered

this, the manor, a shaldaran's manor, but it would have been like this dark maze you guys would

have had to go through, so you would have had to solve these puzzles. Darkness maze. wes would have

been able to see because he had that dark vision again. I was going to allude more to.

Tyler: His see through magical dark powers as well.

Olivia: It's pretty sick.

O'Neil: Magical darkness. Exactly. Yep. You would have broken Julie's ghost dad out of

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O'Neil: jail, and then there would have been an emotional moment there, but Julie wouldn't have

responded. Quite right. You would have been attacked by shadowhounds and they would have taken

Suwon away from the. No, my boy.

Olivia: Who at one point had more hp than cash.

O'Neil: Yup. we'll get there, my dog. You guys would have made your way to the big bad. You would

have seen an ornately dressed man with a nice looking goatee, and you would have heard the snarls

of a shaldaran behind him. And cash, you would have recognized this figure because it's you.

Olivia: Is it my leg? Did my leg grow a whole nother.

O'Neil: Cash, you would have found out through this story. So, first of all, this shifting maze of

darkness would have separated cash and Julie. So Cash and Julie would have had to fight Yashal.

Cash would have had to fight himself.

Jessica Norrell: Wes and Julie would have to fight a sheldoron or.

O'Neil: Sorry, Wes. Sorry, Wes and Julie. Yeah. Wes and Julie would have been fighting shalduran's

head. It would have just been his head. By the way, it's just a severed head because if you

remember in the queue flashbacks, he was missing his head. Yeah. So it wouldn't have been as, you

know, hard as, like if you were fighting the full level 25 dragon or whatever the fuck.

Olivia: What was the cr on that head? What was the cr on that head?

O'Neil: I think it was, 16.

Olivia: Nice.

O'Neil: So it would have been a hard fight.

Tyler: but you guys are level 13 characters, true.

O'Neil: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Then, cash, you would have been fighting and every time you would

have been hit, you would have been hit with a flashback. It would be flashing back to Chicago, your

times like that. He was literally knocking you back into your. You would have gotten a little bit

more story about your, like, mentor and how you grew up on the rougher parts of Chicago and how you

sometimes got mixed with the wrong crowd. And how you had all this anger.

Olivia: Yes, because we did talk about this.

O'Neil: And then when you had, like, this anger, you. You used your fist to get it out. But then

once you lost your ability to do martial arts, a part of you died. And when that part of you died,

it got sent to the bastion of unborn souls.

Olivia: So was that like, the leg was the representation of that sort of dead part of him? Okay.

O'Neil: Mm Exactly. And so you, you know, you had all this anger, but eventually you learned to let

it go. You built your own gym, et cetera, et cetera. But when you were fighting this, he had monk

abilities, much like you. And if at any point, you would have rolled a natural 20 instead of

hitting you, he could have pulled one of your two cords.

Olivia: No. Cause I had the gold one, too. Right?

O'Neil: You had the gold one too. Well, he would have hit you with a natural 20. He would have

pulled your gold cord. And then you would have, like, been in that flashback of just, like, your

lowest low, like, your highest depression.

Olivia: Nice.

O'Neil: We would have, you know, had an emotional scene there. And then you would have heard a

knock on your door from your sister dar, who says, I want you to come live with me for a little

bit. You're not doing too hot. Also, I'm pregnant. Flash forward. Kumi's there next to you in her

spirit avatar form. She would have helped you fight yourself.

Olivia: Nice.

O'Neil: Su wan would have came back. He would have helped you fight eventually. Would have had to,

like.

Tyler: Can you tell an heel likes anime?

O'Neil: Listen, it's important to sort of get the interior fight exteriorly, you know?

Tyler: more like bringing all the friends back at the very end, but they're in spirit.

Olivia: I love Harry Potter.

O'Neil: And then you would have had to grapple yourself into a hug.

Olivia: Oh, fuck.

O'Neil: To finish the fight. and then you would have. I had a line, something along the lines of,

you hated them. You hated them. You hated me. Why couldn't you love me? And then you would have had

to grapple yourself, you bastard.

Olivia: That would have made me cry, you fuck.

O'Neil: Playing on those emotional heartstrings.

Olivia: That's what we're here to do with steam. Surely I can capitalize off of this.

O'Neil: Don't laugh and say, aw. Parallel.

Olivia: That's wrong.

O'Neil: You're a bad man. but eventually. So you would have defeated him. M. you would have

absorbed yourself, and you would have gotten a lot of cool things. I would have given you a whole

bunch of new monk powers. Let me see if I can pull them up really quickly.

Olivia: Yeah. What was my new way? Just collecting ways of monks. Like Pokemon cards.

O'Neil: Yeah, you were. So when he pulled that string, you would have actually lost your way, of

the animal self, because that was your tai takumi. but when you absorbed your new self, you would

have actually gotten an ability to essentially, at the end of a long rest, change your way. So you

could be the way of the dark self that you had before.

You could be the way of, the peace one. Or there's another one where it's like, the way

of the human self or something like that.

Olivia: Yeah, we had a couple.

Tyler: There's a lot of different kinds of dungeon masters. There's guys who are really good at the

numbers, and there's people who tell a really intricate story. O'Neil is the type that tortures his

players.

Olivia: No, truly.

O'Neil: And tortures until you get the catharsis. It's all about building catharsis, normally.

Olivia: Fuck

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Olivia: you, O'Neil. I can't believe you did this to us. Yeah, I do actually want to kind of talk

about when we get to the end of it is like. Because when we started playing, when we were wrapping

up with YmBW, I was, like, starting my sort of fledgling dming experience. And I do kind of want to

talk, like, DM to DM once we get to, like, the back of this. And, like, you know, just two DM's

talking shop, you know, and obviously, like, Tyler is very much a, game master. And, you know, so

we can. We can sort of talk style and form and structure. Form and structure.

O'Neil: So at the end of that, two characters would have shown up once you absorbed yourself and

sort of made peace with yourself. One, Garnog, your spirit avatar, which you had a brief encounter

with my girlfriend. and two, Azazel, the angel of death, who

you've seen sporadically throughout the story, sort of telling you that you are now the new leader

of the bastion of unborn souls. So you are. You are gonna take it over.

There's gonna be a whole thing there. You would have had to take the icosahedron, which we, by the

way, you guys were supposed to close these, outlandish portals with essentially a giant D 20, which

I gave Tyler as a prize.

Tyler: It's buried in a box over there.

O'Neil: Yeah. So you guys would have had to close the outland portal, and you would have briefly

fought entropy, the second of the three Outlanders you guys have encountered. But something weird

would have happened. Why didn't wes finish her off? Questions arise all that stuff. But you managed

to close out the portal. Unfortunately, the plane of water disappears. So, again, removing another

piece from that logo there. So that would have been the end of the astral sea arc. So any questions

before I move on? I'm gonna. I'm just gonna go through, like, general stuff now. Now that it's a

lot of, like.

Tyler: Now that it's, like, weird. No, we're not. We can't influence the story.

O'Neil: Yeah, yeah, exactly. So. Oh, and then that's the other thing, I guess. Olivia, do you want

to reveal Cash's secret about Kubi?

Olivia: Yeah, she was pregnant.

O'Neil: So cash was expecting babies, and so that sort of, give cash motivation for. You need to

live not being so reckless.

Olivia: I love how. I love how O'Neil was, like, Olivia's severely mentally ill and not doing well,

and that's being manifested through her, through their character. So, like, let's work with that.

Like, surely I'll get something good out of that.

O'Neil: Try to take the influences you're given.

Olivia: The m's psychotic, insane.

O'Neil: So do you guys want to know what the arc that I had for the next one is? The name for the

arc. It's very good. The next arc was called journey to the center of the earth, the musical. You

guys wouldn't have.

Jessica Norrell: O'Neil, are you sure we can't actually play this?

O'Neil: I know, listen, we got to just get it out. It would have taken way too long. This was way

too ambitious. But let me set you guys up so you guys would have found out that your next mission,

was the next sort of outlandish portal. You couldn't get a beat on it. Why? You couldn't get a beat

on it because it was at the fucking center of the earth. So you guys would have had to do some.

Some sort of mini arc stuff to get down to the center of the earth where you would have found, oh,

these are where the dinosaurs is at.

Jessica Norrell: My absolute favorite, like, side story, where these dinosaurs were totally

planning to take over, but Julie was literally the only one of the God forsaken planet to know.

Tyler: The dinosaur story is probably my favorite unhinged moment of the fucking pitch,

where it was like, everything was like, you know, like, there was jokes in there, but, like, for

the most part, like, story wise, it was very serious. And then we would throw jokes on top of it,

and then onea was like, dinosaur swat dinosaur dinosaurs.

O'Neil: Flintstones. Super future dinosaur.

Olivia: Yabba dabadoo. Like, it is yabba dabadoo.

O'Neil: you would have found out that their leader, the giant, what is that monster called again?

Olivia: Terask.

O'Neil: The terask. Yes. was slain. oh.

Jessica Norrell: oh.

O'Neil: And they had all been reverted back to, like, prehistoric animalistic tendons.

Olivia: Really would have just been dinosaurs.

O'Neil: They would have just been dinosaurs. And you would have had to fight through that stuff.

you would have found Ziv and Zav, the twins, our boys who were surviving down here with their.

Olivia: And you would have with.

Jessica Norrell: Okay, the one thing about their dads, did they remember? Did they leave before the

memory got wiped?

Olivia: they're. They're dads, right?

O'Neil: Yes, they're dads.

Olivia: Because, again, we're talking so sort of like, you know, background.

O'Neil: Yeah. Let me.

Olivia: What's up with me?

O'Neil: Let me give you just, a general. This is a little bit gushier. So this isn't set in stone.

But in between these two arcs, two things would have happened in my mind. One, there would have

been issues with the plane of water disappearing. I had a scene in my mind where Tyler's character,

Wes, and one of the other characters, the dragonborn, who told the future essentially replaced the

divination chair would have gone surfing as,

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O'Neil: like, a little. In the Chicago. During a storm in the Chicago thing because that's how he

divines is, like, through surfing. And if you remember, he divined his own death. And it was coming

up like it was soon, in the next year or so. and he can't quite figure out why. And he was gonna go

surfing with Wes, and West was gonna have a divination as well to the chaos that was going to ensue

about the world ending and the planes

disappearing and the game master's involvement and all this stuff and his, Wes's own death. And

then the other thing was gonna be Ziv and Zab, the twins, which is crazy because I based those off

of litwins, the dancing duo. And then I'm sure they would have came and, like, implored you to help

them and given you special tools with. Which was their. Their relics, essentially, of their. Their

age, which was, I think, a fan and a magic pot.

Olivia: Yes. So.

Jessica Norrell: So wait, so they did not have their memory wiped?

O'Neil: No. They were actually living and trying to. You would have found that they were, like,

essentially having to fight their way through this prehistoric dinosaur era. And one of the twins,

either Ziv or Zav, I think it was Ziv, would have been also succumbing to this mental blockade that

was, or probably Zav because Zav was the sorcerer, didn't have the mental fortitude, would have

been, succumbing to this mental planet of the apes stuff. Planet of the apes esque stuff. Yeah. you

would have found this House of illusions, illusion that was causing this, like, mental dissonance,

essentially. It would have been sort of. You would have had to do certain puzzles. There was like,

a music puzzle that I had. There was like, I was about to.

Tyler: Ask where the musical aspect came into it.

O'Neil: You get there. You were about to get there. You would have had to solve this puzzle, an

illusion dragon that you would have had to figure out, like, how to defeat solving puzzles. This

would have been a more puzzle centric arc, solving puzzles to get through this House of illusion,

where then you would have entered this, final boss era. I

always, at the end of these things, just have a final circular chamber.

Olivia: Yeah. Like a boss dungeon. Yeah.

O'Neil: And it would have been lights on. Are you ready to rock? You would have fought this gnome

figure who you find out none of your stuff is working because through the power of music, he's

indefeatable. you find out that you've been being trailed by none other than the ministry, of

illusion. Mister Az.

Olivia: Mister Az.

O'Neil: Mz. Mister Az. Who teaches you guys that the only way to defeat this guy is through the

power of music? You guys have to form a band. You guys have to make a song. And I would have

actually had you guys make a song together to defeat this final boss. In between fighting stuff,

essentially with different courses and stuff, it would have been.

Tyler: I love how your go to for the final boss battles was always m, none of your magic works

anymore.

O'Neil: Not always. It was.

Olivia: A lot happened a lot. Occasionally weird that it happened twice, right.

O'Neil: You, would have had to fight him through the power of music. You would have defeated him.

You would have. Oh, he was a rock gnome.

Olivia: Oh, hilarious. I mean, so you could have done, like, again, oops. All homebrew. My man,

dude. My man. Doodle right there.

O'Neil: We'll get there, we'll get there. We'll get there, we'll get there, we'll get there.

Everything's tied together, baby. so you would have defeated him through the power of music. You

would have found out that this rock gnome was, the last of his clan who was holding a great secret,

which was that he was protecting. He was the part of the gnome clan that was building the vessel

for t one nk to return again. Previously, Jesse had set up in the last spirit realm sort of story

that they wanted to rebuild t one nk to bring t one nk back, essentially. And so you would have

seen these tapestries of the story of the spirit realm, what happened afterwards, and sort of this

mythology that all of your previous spirit avatars became essentially new, renewed gods. They

became the spirits of their core tenets. And so you would have found Clarissa Terra at the center

of this as you guys made your way down, and you would have found out that Clarissa became the human

spirit. And then Garnog Cash's former spirit vessel, became the spirit of the soul. And leading the

spirit realm stories, gimel, wes's former spirit avatar, became the spirit of power. Fosco became

the spirit of fate. And as she's telling you all this and the story's unraveling, t one nk's body

is. The metallic body is laying there. her chest cavity unfolds to this giant metallic heart. And

you guys find out that you guys were all actually brought together because of t one nk, because t

one nk is the spirit of friendship.

Olivia: Stop.

O'Neil: And you would have been given the metallic heart to bring back Nelson because you have one

part of your party that's missing. Unfortunately, you would have had to close the outlandish portal

that was sitting right there. And then for some reason, weird stuff happens. And then clarissa and,

Tara, the embodiment

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O'Neil: of the world, disappear and entropy comes back. You guys would have fought entropy. And

then, as you guys would have killed entropy, entropy would have sent out a disintegration ray at

Wes, and Wes probably would have died.

Olivia: I love how you're like, yeah, you.

Tyler: Say that, but also at that point, we were like, level 16 or whatever.

Olivia: Yeah.

O'Neil: I mean, listen, again, this is the squishy part where it could have been something weird.

There's things worse than death, but that was just sort of the general plan is like, target west,

try to kill Wes. so then it would have been a heist to break out Nelson's body.

Olivia: My body.

O'Neil: Right. We have to tie up all these threads. So it would have been, Tyler had another

character planned in case Wes died. A planeswalker. That would have been tied to Wes's quote

unquote grandmother, the elf.

Tyler: She had big Julia.

O'Neil: Yeah.

Jessica Norrell: Actually, it would have been interesting to have two characters with that, like,

essentially.

Tyler: The SWAT magic version of julie, or it was like a, very serious.

Olivia: Love it.

Tyler: Love.

Olivia: Julie would not have been able to handle that.

Tyler: There would have been an interesting power dynamic, I think.

Jessica Norrell: Yeah, that would have been really fun. But Julie and Wes. Julie, honest to God,

thought of Wes as a very good friend.

Tyler: If he died, why were you such a traitor then?

Jessica Norrell: If he died, well, get there. That, really would have messed with Julie Rhett.

Olivia: Cause, like, okay. One of my biggest memories and one of the most important emotional

moments for me in season one was during the finale when Julie, like, runs up to Jack and Michael,

and it was like, he's gonna sacrifice himself. Please. Like, he's like, one. And I was like, whoa,

whoa, whoa. Yeah, you can't.

Tyler: He's going to sacrifice himself.

O'Neil: By the way, also, speaking of season one finale, that is where that cost would have come

in. Remember, west rolled the d six and is like, there's going to be a big cost. That's, where that

would have come in, and that's where Wes would have died. Don't worry. We're gonna tie up those

little threads, baby. So there would have been the heist for Nelson's body to get him back. Get him

back online. more trouble with Peeta, which is that, paramilitary force that, Julie works for. More

trouble there because you're breaking into those facilities. You would have found Nelson's, father.

There would have been a little bit of PETA Bigby. That's why we got those. Remember those Nelson

robots that were made that were, like, helping the n 31 five n. Wait, wait.

Olivia: That's what they're doing.

O'Neil: This was a reveal. Yeah, those were. Those were clones, essentially mechanical clones of

Nelson, which had, like, anti magic stuff. Nelson was essentially a prototype, but also in a sort

of asteroid boy sense, was like a clone to replace.

Olivia: yeah, that was very much what I modeled him. I mean, once we talked about him being robit,

you know, I was like, it. It is. I'm going to build a better son kind of thing.

O'Neil: Exactly.

Olivia: Yeah. No, that is very much what I was.

O'Neil: So there would have been an emotional beat there. You would have kicked the dad's ass and

saved Nelson. then we would have gotten a side story about the outlands. This would have probably

just been a me and Tyler session. But essentially, Wes wasn't quite dead. He was, like, floating in

the outlands. We would have saw sort

of scapes and stories and understanding that the outlands is a vagary. It's like saying the

universe. Like, that's just everything out there. And you would have come to understand that the

way you guys have been seeing the story is very, earth centric. like when we used to see the earth

as a center of the universe and the sun was out there versus as a part of the universe. And so you

guys were actually in the outlands.

Olivia: Yeah, that makes sense.

O'Neil: And there's a greater center somewhere out there, but there's this giant mass, this void

out there that is coming to destroy your world. And.

Olivia: Wes, you were fucking kidding about scale.

O'Neil: No, giant scale. That's what I'm trying to say. This is very ambitious.

Olivia: You're a madman for an audio media.

O'Neil: Yeah, I know. This is an epic. Wes would have come back. West would have come back, and

been a chaotic sorcerer. Would have had a brief interaction with his father, who was sucked into

the outlands. We don't know what happened to him.

Eventually, you guys would have been given your. What?

Tyler: I have known who my dad is at that point. Can we break that? I don't know. Who is he?

O'Neil: I have that at the very, very end because there's a very important moment.

Olivia: M like true parentage who actually think.

Jessica Norrell: I even know about it.

Olivia: Like, I need to know.

O'Neil: Yes, I'll get that out there, really quick.

Tyler: I'm sure you.

O'Neil: This would have been coming. Yeah, this this. This was all, like, sort of tied in together

at the finale ish stuff. But this is where it will come to break because you guys would have had

your last meeting where you. Where you would have found out that there are two more objectives

left. there's one that is on the hanging gardens. So in that face city, you have to figure out a

way to get in there. Cause they won't let you in. The last one is in the Internet.

Olivia: Shut up.

O'Neil: You guys would have had to done brain scans to essentially send yourselves into the

Internet to defeat the last thing where you would have, you know, sort of gone through different

Internet things. I had one where, like, the Internet goes out for a second and you're being fought

by that jumping dinosaur on the chrome browser, and you have to, like, escape that.

Tyler: Fuck off and hiss.

O'Neil: ultimately, you would have been fighting,

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O'Neil: an Internet bees bose, who would have then evolved into, like, a sans. Like, sans from,

over overtail, undertale, undertale, undertale. And sort of the corrupt nature, of the Internet.

Essentially, you would close that down. But that would have been like a side story. So we would

have been actually doing parallel story here. Somewhat hard to track, I know, but, while you guys

were in that final meeting, there would have been a PETA sting operation. That would have happened

while you guys were at that final meeting where you're discussing the final objectives, trying to

figure out a way to get to the hang gardens of Babylon. Julie.

Jessica Norrell: Oh, would I have broken.

O'Neil: You would have had to start the sting operation by PETA. There's gonna be a massive

operation. Everybody was gonna be. You know, they're gonna try to round up everybody.

Jessica Norrell: I feel like this would have, because I was allowed to fight it when it was going

against.

O'Neil: You would have. And this is maybe where you would have broken it. I don't know. This is the

thing. This is with it being squishy. But go ahead and tell them now what was happening.

Jessica Norrell: Julie had been, brainwashed in, like, the first session of season two,

and I was not fully in control of her actions. There was a code phrase that would make her obey,

and it was if you wouldn't mind.

O'Neil: So anytime I said, if you wouldn't mind, that was actually a command word.

Olivia: Oh, my God. And wait, who did that?

Jessica Norrell: Her boss.

Olivia: Okay.

O'Neil: General Malone and the weird scientist there.

Jessica Norrell: As a part of that, in order to prevent it from becoming undone, they also sealed

the voice in her head. Gwen.

O'Neil: Yes, her sister Gwen.

Olivia: Yeah.

Jessica Norrell: So everything related to gwen went away, and a new power set came in. So julie had

psionic powers, which you saw a few times. She could make a. Basically a force field. She could

throw weapons with force. And, she was resistant to psychic energy also. So there were a few things

where she had. It looked like she was using magic because that was in the place of Gwen. If you

asked her outright what happened to Gwen, she genuinely wouldn't know.

O'Neil: So we would have. Yeah.

Tyler: Good.

Jessica Norrell: Yeah. So I was allowed to, I think, do, like, a saving throw if, the command was

really something that she wouldn't do.

O'Neil: Yeah.

Olivia: Okay.

O'Neil: Yeah.

Jessica Norrell: But, you know, like, if it's, like, shoot someone in the head.

Olivia: Yeah.

Jessica Norrell: At one point, they strengthened it even.

O'Neil: Yeah, there were a couple of instances because you asked. Yeah. So there was

a. You. Julie also made a deal with the devil in some instances.

Jessica Norrell: So one of Julie's big things was she wanted to hire people as outside contractors

to work on her team because she trusted them, but they couldn't pass the. Oh, that was another

thing. There is a magic certification test.

O'Neil: Yes.

Jessica Norrell: That Julie passed.

O'Neil: That was in q one through q.

Jessica Norrell: Four that a bunch of other people did, and Amber didn't pass it, so Amber had to.

Olivia: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Jessica Norrell: she had to get certified a different way, and Wes was never gonna pass it. I think

cash did. Cash did.

Tyler: I think I ever even tried to take it.

Jessica Norrell: I was just like, yeah, so because of how hard I was fighting to not, first of all,

not arrest Wes.

O'Neil: And, yes, that was another thing. She was protecting wes the entire time from Zeeda.

Jessica Norrell: They kept strengthening the mind control m because I must have fought the. The bug

that I gave him. There's no way I wouldn't have rolled against that.

O'Neil: So they were. Yeah. There throughout this entire thing, and this would have been a big

reveal. Flashbacks. Yeah, she was. I mean, that's. That's really what it would have been, is like.

You would have ended up fighting Julie, and then, you know, Wes had his mind. was that one mind

spell wes had for a while, like the read thoughts or

something like that?

Tyler: Dissect thoughts.

O'Neil: I would have allowed the bending of rules to try to break Julie out of it. You guys

eventually would have. And then once Julie would have broken out of it, there would have been, a

sort of psionic explosion that let Gwen out. And then there would have been a flashback to all the

times where Gwen was sort of stuck. All that stuff would have came out. Big moment for Julie. You

guys would have fought, escaped, but Jack would have been captured as one of the. As the part of

the raid. And so that's where we get that scene with Jack in the prison retelling the story that we

were hearing as a sort of overview. So that was the last big thing. You guys would have fought the

Internet guy, defeated the Internet guy. Hopefully, you guys would have gone to the hang gardens of

Babylon, where you would have found that the city was entirely empty and that all the platonians

had evacuated. But standing at the gate would have been Michael, Maus, trying to prevent you from

closing it, saying that you don't know what could happen and that no one's allowed to do that. You

would have had to fight Michael Mouse, Donald Quack, and gooby Goof.

O'Neil: Eventually, you would have had to fight. Ah. As you close the portal, you would have had to

fight the game master. You guys would have probably beat his first phase, but then there would have

been a second phase, very final, fantasy like. But then during his second phase, I would have

scaled it so that it would have been. Been hard to defeat while you guys had already done the first

phase. So you guys probably would have been close

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O'Neil: to being slain. Then all of your spirit realm characters would have come back. So you would

have been playing as your spirit realm characters and your main characters in this mega final

fight.

Jessica Norrell: Which spirit realm?

O'Neil: The original spirit realm. Catch. Oh, sorry. That's another thing. But let's slight

backtrack before we catch back up to where we are. So put a pin in that. In your last spirit Realm

adventure, you guys would have actually found the spirit realm itself was starting to crumble and

crack. And that outlanders were in your spirit realm story for some reason that weren't supposed to

be there. And you guys would have, like, come to characters in the spirit realm. Exactly. So that

would have been another breaking of the. Of the fiction. as that stuff started to unwind. So coming

back to the modern day, you guys would have defeated the game master with everybody involved,

everybody helping. But then reality would have started breaking, much like in the logo, you see,

the record has shattered. Similarly, the reality sort of would have. Breaking this void, this black

darkness, would have started creeping in to the world. The world essentially would have been

ending. And given the information that wes got when he was in the outlands and all that stuff, the

planeswalker, all the information you would have got, you would have found out that you need to go

into the outlands to figure out where the actual center of this is so you can defeat this evil. And

so, hopefully, you guys would have plunged into the outlands and then done this little, world

hopping adventure mini story. As we come to the final conclusion, you would have been jumping

through the outlands, jumping through a different story. So I had one where it was the hundred acre

woods, and you guys would have had to done, like, a little mini game there. There was one where you

guys had to go into sherlock's mindscape and play for sherlock Holmes and a vampire.

Olivia: Love that.

O'Neil: there was one where we went into Tyler's, one shot mini game where, I guess my character

became God, in his dreams, and we would have done a quiet year mini game to sort of resolve that. I

had one where we, will we roleplay? Hello from the magic tavern. As your characters are jumping

through the world, you have to sit down and do a Podcast.

Olivia: You're a nutshell.

O'Neil: your brain is broken. I know. Engaging with the fiction of the outlands to find the center.

Eventually, you would have gone through this gate, this giant, ornate, black and gold gate. You

would have entered. You would have landed in this pool of water, and you would have seen Wes's

father finally standing over, and he would have said, welcome to eternity.

Tyler: Am I Jesus?

Olivia: Am I Jesus Christ?

O'Neil: That's another thing that would have happened, like, towards the end, is that, there would

have been a fake, outlandish Jesus that would have come back and caused a little bit of issues for

the world. It would have been a whole thing. But as you would have looked up, you would have seen

above you and sort of lining this perimeter of eternity. A obelisks.

Tyler: Oh, God.

Olivia: Oh, my God. Wait.

O'Neil: And so you would have passed through this thing. you would have found out through Wes's dad

that he took over as the guardian of eternity when he was sent into the outlands, sort of charting

a path that you guys also charted. For those of you who don't know the significance of the obelisk

that ties back into our first season with Kaimedina.

Olivia: That'S a tough pull for even me, dog.

O'Neil: I know.

Tyler: Yeah. Olivia wasn't even there for that campaign. That feels like never happened.

O'Neil: He would have walked you through how he took over for this green dragonborn who decided to

pass on past this green dragonborn and this small, half elf who decided to pass on and leave

eternity to him. so you guys would have, had a little moment where Wes could reconcile with his

father about why he wasn't there. And his father would have said, you've been here before and you

will be here again.

Jessica Norrell: Portal.

O'Neil: Yeah, it's the matrix.

Tyler: I'm, neo, so kind of. Jesus.

O'Neil: listen, we were getting there. so wrapping this up, this is the finale, right? This is

the end. You guys are told to pass through, and then we see a little end credit scene of, like, oh,

this is different. As his reality started to be broken by this dark void. Right? You guys would

have broken through. You would have seen a half orcish man with a cowboy hat and a mountain lion

guarding this final gate. You would have had to fight Silas, Wes character from season one,

although obviously much more powerful, Wes's original, character. And then, you would have had to

fight oatmeal, Arya and Sasha, who were summoned by the. This tooting fork thing. by the way, we'll

get to this at the end, but I had a list of things that would have given you, maybe, honestly, as a

guest to play. Silas would have been fun. Eventually, you guys would have fought them, and then you

would have had to turn around and fight this darkness that has followed you. And then eventually,

you guys would have been ushered through the portal to. Back to Boston for some reason. Oh, what's

going on here? You guys are.

Tyler: If you tell me that we meet ourselves, I'm never recording a podcast with you ever again.

Olivia: Time turnering us.

O'Neil: You followed the now shrunken icosahedron that would have started zipping like a little

snitch.

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O'Neil: You would have had to run sprint. You would have entered this dormitory. You would have

entered, you had to slide through the security, and you would have seen this man.

Tyler: Well, I'll see you guys later. I'm out. I refuse to accept this.

O'Neil: This young man in shorts, even though it's cold.

Olivia: Wait, what?

O'Neil: Who is typing on a laptop?

Olivia: Shut the fuck up, od.

O'Neil: And he would have said. He would have looked up from his laptop, looked at you guys and

been like, oh, all right, well, I guess we gotta get everybody else. And then it would have been

our fictional character sitting with us as we tell the story of how, you guys saved the world.

Tyler: I hate it.

Olivia: Wow, that's, Wow, you're.

O'Neil: And then there would have been a coda. there would have been a code. I would have asked you

guys how the world would have changed all that stuff. We would have done a little bit of, like,

final storytelling. Again, this is an epic. So, like, I wanted you guys to, like, tell me how the

story would have end. And I actually would have. Would love you guys to, like, if you guys have any

insights into, like, how you guys would have ended things for your characters, what you guys would

have done.

Olivia: well, Jesus Christ, if they haven't been through enough already, you know,

dealing with all this other crazy, shenanigans you had planned. I say shenanigans lovingly. I don't

know, like, obviously, like, hopefully cash and Kumi end up okay. You know, dar and Will and will

Junior, like, are, you know, good. Like, I don't. I don't think. I think cash has transitioned from

wanting, like, his, like, he's, like, big, like, athletic family, his big, like, aspirations, like,

having to go back to a smaller quote, unquote, in his perspective, a smaller life. Getting the idea

of, oh, my God, I can do this big thing and save the world with, swat. I can be part of something

really big and important again.

And then realizing that that sucks and that maybe a little life is okay. And I think that is very

much what he wants.

O'Neil: Yeah. Jesse, Wes, any insights? Before I tell you what I had in mind for the final coda, I

gotta be honest.

Tyler: the, time we stopped recording, I was really lost as to how I wanted to end the story. So

I'm the wrong person to, be asking.

Jessica Norrell: in this ending world, would magic still exist?

O'Neil: That would have been a question I would pose to you. Did the world split back apart? Did

they merge together and things get resolved? I would have asked you how you would have. And that's

actually the question I was going to ask you, Jeff, specifically. So, Jesse, how would magic would

have.

Jessica Norrell: Magic would have stayed, but great. They. It wouldn't have been as terrible. Like,

the integration wouldn't have been as terrible as it was in the beginning of season two. Like, all

the things that were angering Julie and the others.

O'Neil: That's awesome. Yeah.

Olivia: How the fuck do we tear Peeta apart?

Jessica Norrell: Yeah. Like, Peeta would have been dismantled. And I see Julie becoming like

they're being a. Another new SWat, but it being a lot more transparent than the old one and people

being held accountable. And I see Julie being a council member.

O'Neil: I would have offered Julie to be the head of that council. So, as a final coda, let me find

that last note really quick. Okay. So, as a final note for the coda, I had a wedding scene stolen,

from our favorite dungeons and dragons Podcast, the adventure zone. And also home stuck. A wedding

scene between Julie and Amber, where I'm giving out these offers to wes. I'm giving you an offer to

join the Planeswalkers league so you can go explore the outlands some more cash. Your dojo being

set up as a fund. and also, you know, you still have your. You are the King of the astral, of the

bastion of unborn souls. Your son is a princess. How do you know it's the wedding?

Olivia: How do you know that's true? That's true. No, no. Very much.

O'Neil: No. I mean, I also. To be fair, in my mind, I also had as a son, so.

Olivia: Fuck yeah, you primogeniture piece of shit. All right.

O'Neil: again, a lot of Jesus imagery in this one. like duha. Now, and then at the wedding, I would

have had Julie's mother and her father, so to speak, figure, there at the wedding. And they would

have. And you would have seen, like, a brief flash of, like,

another set of people behind them reflecting, you know, Heidi and, your birth father. And, you

know, you would have had the wedding. And then at the end, as a final coda, I had Davy Jones,

because this would have been, a wedding in the astral sea. So I would have had Davy Jones come to

begin attacking guys, and you guys would have rolled initiative as a final, final goodbye.

Tyler: Okay, a couple questions.

O'Neil: Yeah.

Tyler: About, like, who. So who. What was the game master's deal? You didn't really explain that

game master was Robert.

O'Neil: He was. Oh, yeah. So that blackness, the void, right? That is the void from Kai's season.

That is that darkness, that encroaching darkness that is there to absorb stories. And it's sort of

the, In my mind, it's sort of that. That feeling of like a story gone wrong or, you

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O'Neil: know, when a story is. Is broken, but not necessarily faithful to itself, that sort of

thing. And so that's what. That's what that, like, embodied in my mind was like, you know, a broken

story that wasn't resolved right. That needed to absorb more stories in order to sustain itself.

But in so was breaking stories, and so was becoming this amalgam. I also had, like, a slight, like,

anti immigration bend to that, which is like SWAT. As an outsider, how are you going to prevent

outside, like, outlanders coming in? There's gonna be that bend to it as well.

Tyler: So what were the, The Outlands is just everything, and the Outlands is stories.

O'Neil: And that's why you guys had to, you know, traverse through that to get to our real world,

because we were telling this story. And so this was just another part of the outlands. You guys

were outlanders. Your characters were outlanders. Oh, so instead of being, like, a heliocentric

model, essentially, where you are, that your guys story was the center of it. You guys were just

part of a bigger thing, which is, like, just the human story. And then you guys were powerful

enough to break the kafab. or the. Is that the right word? Break the kafab, break the fiction.

Kayfabe to.

Tyler: That's the rest. Break the fiction. Look at you.

O'Neil: Yeah. Listen. Making big stories over here, but, yeah. Any other last, like, notes,

questions, clarifications, anything that you kind of want to get on?

Tyler: So who was my dad? So who was Wes's dad?

Olivia: Just a guy.

O'Neil: Just like an outlander from a different story. But then he ended up in eternity to, you

know, champion this. This to be the last stop on the gate, you know, and he's the one who gave you

essentially, would have brought you back to life after you were.

Tyler: I was waiting for a twister. I was like, m your dad was Joseph of Nazareth or something?

O'Neil: Your dad was Joseph Biden.

Tyler: I thought he was going to be. I fully thought he was going to be, like, a named character,

you know, like, this is. Joe Biden is your dad.

O'Neil: Your dad was just.

Olivia: He's Joe Biden.

O'Neil: Joseph Biden. Your dad loves trains and infrastructure, baby.

Olivia: Amtrak, am trek.

O'Neil: Yeah.

Tyler: your dad is Clark Kent? Superman, like, I don't know.

O'Neil: No, not quite. Just another guy from another story who ended up, you know, taking over that

eternity spot. Jesse, Olivia, any questions?

Jessica Norrell: Who is Julie's birth father?

Olivia: Yeah. What's the deal with Julia? He's just a guy.

O'Neil: A guy of tragedy.

Olivia: Wait, so it's not Matt Damon?

O'Neil: No, that's Gwen's father, but. Oh, that. So let me. Let me explain that, because I

don't. That never came out of the thing.

Jessica Norrell: Oh. So, Rivka and Matt Davenport had a daughter. Gwen.

O'Neil: Gwen, yeah.

Jessica Norrell: And, Rivka was a diviner. She died in a fire. And as her last action, she sealed

Gwen away to keep gwen alive. Matt Davenport, then at, like, you know, grief counseling meetings,

met Heidi, who had also lost her partner and had a.

O'Neil: Daughter named Julie in a similar fire.

Olivia: Okay, so they said, we can make a better daughter together.

Jessica Norrell: No.

Tyler: So they said, we can rebuild him.

Jessica Norrell: We have the technology to be a family.

Olivia: Okay, worst.

Jessica Norrell: So Julie didn't know as a child that Matt Davenport was not her birth father.

Olivia: Yeah. Pirate from SWAT.

Jessica Norrell: How did Gwen end up in Julie's head?

O'Neil: So that would have been a reveal that when Matt died, the vessel was starting to

deteriorate. And so there would have been a moment where. Cause gwen was your imaginary friend

growing up, eventually would have entered your mind to support you in some way. I hadn't figured

out the hard mechanics of that yet. Whether it was another outlandish incursion or something.

Olivia: We talked about peeta, obviously, and how PETA socks and, the hunter society and how they

were related because, cash did just to have something to do, did join the hunter society.

Jessica Norrell: So I am looking through my nose, and I have a strange few things going on. I wrote

down what my commands were because obviously they weren't what I would do. So I needed to have them

written down. So let me see if I can get some of these for you. I also have notes of when whatever

this thing was replaying memories in my mind. One of the things it really liked was that ring that

caused grease.

O'Neil: The ring of power. Yes, the one ring. An outlandish item.

Jessica Norrell: one of the things was Wes had some kind of special magic happening.

O'Neil: Yep. Which was his. That was the deal with the outlander. The game master.

Olivia: Yeah.

Jessica Norrell: And that was a moment that was replayed in Julie's mind, and when

she had to report that, she was commanded to look into it. And so she brought that up with cash,

and they had a discussion at one point about his magic looking weird.

Olivia: yeah. he was a funky

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Olivia: little lad, so. Okay, so the dealio with. With sealed or Oberon, Mister Dusk, whatever you

want to call it.

O'Neil: Yep.

Olivia: So, basically, cash would have become, like, an agent of chaos? A little bit, yes. Working

on the behalf Mister dusk or, like, in his interests. But then how did l fame come back into it?

How. How was she? Or was it just like the. Hey, here's a hint. I'm married to the queen of the Fae.

O'Neil: Yes, exactly. It was more so like, again, like, we never really played around with gods in

this story, all that much. So these were the new gods, so to speak. So like, you had garnog, you

had gimel, you had all them. And then the Elfheim and Oberon were sort of the next in line. And so

you had elfame, the queen of the civil war. Yep. Queen of the civil fae. So she represented, like,

society, and Oberon represented Oberon. Sildur, mister Dusk represented sort of the primal nature

of things like beasts and, you know, that stuff. So not necessarily chaos, but more so

uncivilization, which I think sort of just melded with cash at the time. I don't think I would have

pushed it much further than that, other than like just. You have a boon from Oberon, you know?

Olivia: Ooh, that's a. That's a big one. Okay, cool.

O'Neil: So that just would have been that. As far as the hunter society, I imagine them more so as

like civil servants sort of types where I think at the end, maybe to support you guys, there would

have been a rush of like hunters who would have helped you guys. That was more so just like a world

mechanic of how can you be. How can you be legally using magic, but also not PETA?

Olivia: How can I make a separation a license? Married.

O'Neil: Yeah, hunt and Greta got married. There's that scene.

Olivia: Because he was also a hunter. Yeah, a dog man.

O'Neil: Oh, yeah. any last things? I think, in general, I have like a. Go ahead, Jesse. You have

something?

Jessica Norrell: Yeah, I found another note. In meeting with, her commander, the first command was

just to sit down. Like, that's how.

O'Neil: M take a seat. Uh-huh.

Jessica Norrell: And then she had to report back what happened at the SWAT meeting. And then very

specifically, she was told to place the device on Wes.

O'Neil: The bug, that was just a tracking device to give more information, more insights on how, at

that last, raid, Wes magic would have been counteracted somewhat.

Jessica Norrell: I was not allowed to tell anyone what was happening. I was to gather intel on Wes

Barrett, stay out of PETA's way, build a case so that I can convict him in the future.

Tyler: They were just like, I ah know, he's doing stuff.

Olivia: Yeah.

O'Neil: Cause you guys had a couple of run ins and they started building a profile on you. So

that's just part of it. They thought Wes to be very dangerous.

Jessica Norrell: Especially because he refused to get certified. So if he wasn't. Because if he

went through his certification, they would have brainwashed him too.

O'Neil: Not necessarily.

Jessica Norrell: Well, that's why.

O'Neil: Yeah, cash went through the certification, I just think.

Jessica Norrell: Or something.

O'Neil: Yeah. Yeah. so, yeah, that was the story of SWAT discovery, as you could tell. An actual

epic would have. I, wasn't lying. There's a lot there.

Olivia: We would have had to have been paid full time cast members to realize what you wanted.

O'Neil: exactly. I mean, we would have probably been been wrapping up the story, like, if we

actually were dedicated to doing it. Like, about now is when we would have been hitting that

finale, which is insane. So, like a story, an epic in the making, for sure.

Jessica Norrell: there were some funny bits that I think, unfortunately, now will not be published.

Like, there was.

O'Neil: There was so much. And maybe I'll do something with it in the future.

Olivia: Sort of a YouTube poop supercut.

O'Neil: Of all the funny.

Jessica Norrell: One of the bits I remember is Julie and Amber were trying to, I think, teleport

around the continental United States to go find Lacuna, but kept missing.

Olivia: Oh, yeah. What's up with this bitch? What's going on? Lakuna?

O'Neil: Just another outlander again, trying to take away that heliocentric sort of, mind of like,

this is just.

Jessica Norrell: I know it was bigger, but I really wish you would have let me dub over.

O'Neil: It just. It was too much. I was letting you guys. Oh, that was the other thing I was having

you guys going to have you guys dub over your spill remo avatars because you were going to play

them again.

Olivia: Yeah. t one nk being the spirit of friendship.

O'Neil: Fuck off.

Olivia: It's so sad.

O'Neil: I know. So at the end of every wrap out, we announce something new, something that can be

inspired by letting this piece go. And I think for me personally, I am announcing. I have been in

my writing bag recently. I've been doing a lot of writing. I will have, by the end of 2024, some

written piece of material for SWAT, be it a tv pilot, a, comic book outline, something there where

I can actually. We can actually use this story that we created together to make something out of

it.

Tyler: Great like that.

Olivia: Love that. Yeah. You always talked about

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Olivia: doing, like, a world guide. Yeah, well, yeah, that's. That's how I got.

O'Neil: Thank you all for joining me for the wrap out. I wish you all the best for your new year,

2024. We're gonna be doing some great, great stuff, Jesse. We're gonna get you on a Podcast, for

fucking certain. We're gonna get you back on, this Podcast grind and, yeah, I'm very excited for

the new Podcast for the new year, for the new ideas, the new creations, and I'll have a pilot for

O'Neil.

Olivia: I do have a request for this, for this episode. I don't know if you're doing specific music

for the wrap out, but I would very much love if you could figure out a way to transition the SWAT

theme into everything is going my way just to let us move.

O'Neil: Okay. Oh, that was another thing. So that I was gonna remove, you know, every. I was gonna

remove all the elemental planes, and I was also gonna change. The theme song is very complicated. I

was gonna strip it down slowly but surely to just be the core.

Olivia: Theme again at the end, and then the dice. Ice clattering. I think about that all the time.

I think about it all the time.

O'Neil: All right, cool, guys, thank you for joining me. and that's the wrap out discovery. You

might be wondering how we got here. That's how we got here.

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