Hollywood Jr. | Episode 4: The 2010s Oscar Winner's Draft with "Elder" Josh Jackson!
We've got a very special episode with a very special guest for this edition of Hollywood Jr. as we "Draft" the winners for the entire decade of the 2010s Oscar winners. We are joined by a millennial *gasp* Josh Jackson (co-creator of Tubby Nugget) to go toe-to-toe to create the best Oscars winner's team!
BUT FIRST!
Movie delays, and is Marvel Back?!
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O'Neil: Live from beautiful Los Angeles, California, comes the only movie review Podcast that says,
you like me, you... Really like me. It's Hollywood Junior. Today we have a very special episode for
you. We will be doing the 2010s Oscar winners draft to celebrate this year's the 2024 Oscar. What
number is it?
Tyler: Yeah, I don't. That's the worst part about the oscars is that they do 2024. Yes, but it's
2024 oscars. But it's for 2023. Which made prepping for this very confusing.
O'Neil: But we have a very special guest today, an elder for Hollywood Junior.
Tyler: The only person who remembers the 2010.
O'Neil: Oscars, the 2010 Josh Jackson. Welcome to. To the show.
Josh Jackson: Welcome. I'm, glad to be here and impart my elder wisdom to you all. Thank you for
having me on. A pleasure to be here.
O'Neil: And as always, I'm joined by my co host, Tyler J. Carr. Tyler, how are you feeling about
this draft today?
Tyler: I'm feeling great. I'm ready to win. Much like Meryl Streep, I'm feeling greedy for
wins.
O'Neil: But first, we have a little bit of movie news coverage to talk about. Tyler, you
want to talk about these delays?
Tyler: Oh, man. This year's really riding on Deadpool. Three games. Bong, Joon ho, who will come up
later, his new film, Mickey 17, starring Robert Pattinson, has been delayed until January 31, 2025,
according to Deadline. Not great. Last month, Warner removed it from its previous date of March 29,
2024 because it was delayed due to production strikes. And then it is continuing to move back.
Rumor, has it that the execs at Warner Brothers don't like it, which means it's probably good, but
it's getting.
O'Neil: That dump youary spot, and that's sort of the worrying thing.
Tyler: Yeah, that is concerning because it's not just like, oh, we need to rework it. Let's put it
in a new date. Let's put it in the worst date.
O'Neil: Yeah, that's a little. A little scary. In other news for delays, the John Wick spin off the
ballerina has been delayed as well. But.
Tyler: But we've gotten confirmation that both, Quentin Tarantino's new film, the film critic, as
well as whatever project Paul Thomas, an unnamed Paul Thomas Anderson project, will, not be
releasing.
O'Neil: Can I get a hot takeout real quick? Yeah. I don't like Paul Thomas Anderson.
Tyler: That is an extremely hot take.
O'Neil: I don't like. If you talk about peak white Culture, I think it's Paul Thomas Anderson you
don't like.
Tyler: punch drunk love with Adam Sandler.
O'Neil: I'm okay on punch drunk love, but it's not that transformative crazy like PTA is God sort
of thing that I feel like a lot of film people love.
Tyler: I hate there will be blood. no, you've never seen it? or you never.
O'Neil: Is that the one with the little girl vampire?
Tyler: No, there will be blood. Is Daniel day Lewis. Where he goes, I drink your milkshake. Oh, I
haven't seen it. That's one of the best movies of all time. You should watch it.
O'Neil: I've seen the meme. I love the meme.
Tyler: Yeah. Magnolia, boogie nights. The master, dude. The master.
O'Neil: I haven't seen it. So maybe, I'd maybe add inherent vice.
Tyler: You wouldn't like inherent vice, but I like inherent vice.
O'Neil: speaking of deadpool, let's use that segue. is Marvel back? Let's. Josh, actually want to
get your opinion on this. First, where are you with the MCU?
Josh Jackson: The MCU? I mean, dude, like back when Avengers Endgame was coming out and that was
like I was falling on board the hype train. I had this little like theater hack that I would do at
AMC theaters where I would like be able to select seats
before anyone else before they went on sale. How so? This is a little, little trick.
O'Neil: Okay. Okay.
Josh Jackson: They show, before, a theater releases the seats.
Josh Jackson: They show the times. They announce the times. Right?
Josh Jackson: And if you, if you hit the time, it's gonna be. It gives you a notification like it's
not available. Yeah, but if you right click the time and open in a new window, it will bring you to
seat selection.
Tyler: Oh shit.
Josh Jackson: And that's why so, so literally before. Cause endgame's coming out. Everyone's trying
to get seats. You know, trying to get this wild. AMC Universal, you know, the IMAX. I'm trying to
get an IMAX and I'm just, I have like an entire row selected in the prime spot. I'm just waiting
there cuz. Cuz you can't buy the cts. So I'm just clicking.
Tyler: So you just have an advantage.
Josh Jackson: But at least when it releases your.
Tyler: First and last, I'm like a couple.
Josh Jackson: Seconds ahead of everyone else. And that's crazy.
O'Neil: That's crazy.
Josh Jackson: And that's how committed I was to the marvel.
Tyler: And that's, well, that's why O'Neil and I Saw Avengers Endgame it opening night, but in like
the front row at 10:00 p.m. and it was still the.
O'Neil: Craziest movie experience of my entire life.
Josh Jackson: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
O'Neil: Endgame was.
Tyler: And this isn't a Marvel fucking Podcast. You're talking about the oscars.
O'Neil: I wanted to get to it, but I guess.
Josh Jackson: Yeah. So
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Josh Jackson: that's my commitment to the Marvel world.
Tyler: Where are you now?
Josh Jackson: I'm just like. I think, in my opinion.
Josh Jackson: Every show, they released a stinker except for Loki. Really?
O'Neil: You didn't like WandaVision?
Tyler: I was like. I was eight episodes.
O'Neil: Yes.
Josh Jackson: I like, until the end.
O'Neil: That's been my case with every show except for Loki. It's just like Loki almost had an
inverse one where I didn't like the first two episodes, and then I got.
Josh Jackson: In six episodes things, and they're. They look like they're 40 minutes to an hour,
but they're really only 30 minutes with credits, you know? And, at the end of it's.
Tyler: Like, okay, this feels under baked. Like, it feels like a weirdly weird, badly paced movies
is kind of how they feel for me.
Josh Jackson: Making a movie, you know? You want to make a movie. You guys don't know how to make
tv shows. Stop doing that.
Tyler: Yeah, I kind of liked Moon Knight. I gotta be real.
Josh Jackson: Yeah, it was all right, well, that.
Tyler: Was just because Oscar Isaac and Ethan Hawke were cooking, and those are,
like, two of our best actors.
Josh Jackson: They really did cook and they, Yeah, I mean, but other than that, like, just the
pacing is just fucking weird.
Tyler: Yeah. Green. It's. Yeah, the pacing's definitely off.
O'Neil: Where are you with the movies?
Josh Jackson: I, liked no way home. I thought that was a great, great movie experience.
Tyler: That's my mistake. No way home. That is flat, boring lighting. It's the worst shot.
M. Worst shot Spider man movie. It's the worst looking Spider man. Amazing Spider man two looks
better than no way home. That's my hot take.
Josh Jackson: That is.
O'Neil: That is fucking crazy. That's crazy.
Tyler: No way home looks terrible.
O'Neil: That final fight when they're on CGI sludge. Whoa, you're out of here.
Josh Jackson: I think we gotta give him a low credit. Cause that was shot during the height.
O'Neil: Of COVID That is also true. So that's.
Tyler: I'm only like, you know what else is shot during the height of COVID Mission impossible.
That movie looks incredible. Well, and that only happened, I guess Tom Cruise is yelling at
everyone to make that happen.
O'Neil: And also like. Yeah. And also, like, he was Covid certified, so he was able to, you know.
Tyler: The scientologist cured him so he could jump off of a cliff or whatever.
Josh Jackson: Oh. That to say is I'm kind of tender with my Marvel I'm excited for Deadpool, but
I'm like, I'm excited that.
Tyler: There'S not that many movies coming out.
O'Neil: Yeah.
Tyler: Like, I need a break.
O'Neil: Yeah. That's all. That's all I've needed, honestly, is just like, stop giving me. If you're
gonna give me a bad movie, let me space it out. I will say. So Marvel's coming back. They have
Deadpool this year. They've announced a whole bunch of new stuff. Did you guys see the Fantastic
Four?
Josh Jackson: Yeah.
O'Neil: Announcement?
Josh Jackson: Yeah. They do release the drawings of the character.
Tyler: They got cousin. I'm kind of back.
O'Neil: They got cousin. They got fucking, what's his name from walking Dead.
Josh Jackson: Stranger things. The last of us. Petro Pascal. Yeah. Strangers doing a guy who's
playing.
Tyler: I forgot what the other ones are.
Josh Jackson: Vanessa Kirby.
Tyler: Yes. For Sue Storm. And then, Evan Moss Bachrack is the thing. And then, oh, it's, the actor
from stranger things who plays Billy and which, like, good casting, I would say from, like, a, bra.
I'm curious to see what they do with the thing, how this version is gonna look, because it's one of
those. I've come around on Ebenmoss, Bacharach being one of the best working actors, and if they
just put him in a bunch of, like, rock makeup, I'm just gonna kind of be sad.
O'Neil: Here's my hot take. I like the original thing more than the. The original movie thing. That
fox.
Tyler: Yeah, no, I agree. That was prefer the lover.
O'Neil: I was pretty.
Tyler: I've heard the suit. Yeah. Well, fan four stick is one of the worst superhero movies ever
made.
Josh Jackson: I watched that entire thing, and I was just like, God. Well, how did that. What were
you guys doing, man? Yeah, I do occasionally watch.
Tyler: That was a good cast, too, by the way, to m be fair. So good cast doesn't necessarily mean
good movie. Miles Teller, Kate Mara, a lot of really good actors. Michael B. Jordan was.
O'Neil: Yeah, but that was the thing. Yes. They were all phony. They were completely.
Josh Jackson: I sometimes rewatch that last scene for a good laugh where he's just like, we need a
name. You know? And they're like, what should be cute of, And they're like, yeah, hey, God.
Tyler: Fantastic.
Josh Jackson: It's so funny.
Tyler: I love it. Yeah, it's pretty. That. That ending is up there with, like, the ending of the
Transformers movies where this, like, Optimus prime signing out. It says one thing. I don't know
why both endings are bangers in a particular way.
O'Neil: Okay, that's fair. One more thing. I want to highlight real quick, did you guys see the
trailer for X Men 97?
Tyler: I don't care.
Josh Jackson: I didn't.
Tyler: I gotta be here.
O'Neil: You didn't. Oh, my God, guys, I thought you didn't watch trailers.
Tyler: Huh?
O'Neil: Huh? No, it's a show. It's an animated show that's in the style of the nineties X Men.
Tyler: I didn't watch the nineties X Men. I wasn't alive.
O'Neil: You guys didn't have the, See, I was on that kid's WB for a while, and I was picking up
those, bro.
Tyler: I was watching Avatar, the last airbender, over and over and over again.
O'Neil: No, see, I was so. I was an Internet kid. We didn't have cable. I was watching the old
stuff.
Josh Jackson: Okay, okay, okay.
O'Neil: Yeah, the reruns. but anyway, is Marvel. Are we back?
Tyler: No, I'm gonna need to see, I'm gonna need something released
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Tyler: that's good. Before I can say that, Deadpool will.
Josh Jackson: Give a brief injection of life, and then it'll go back to.
Tyler: I think Deadpool three is gonna make a lot of money.
O'Neil: Deadpool. I mean, it has to make a lot of money. Otherwise, Disney's done. But I'm very
excited for Deadpool. I haven't watched the full trailer, but the teaser they played at the Super
bowl looked very interesting, very fun.
Tyler: They're really holding off on the Hugh Jackman, which makes me concerned the Hugh Jackman's
not actually in it a lot.
O'Neil: Or that they're, you know, they could be holding back. They could be, you know, trying to.
Trying to keep us there.
Josh Jackson: It's called Deadpool. Wolverine. He's got to be in it. Like his name's in the title.
O'Neil: Or they could be completely screwing us over.
Tyler: Yeah, I mean, they could just be.
O'Neil: Messing with you, bringing in all the other.
Tyler: It would be so. It would be pretty. I mean, it would be pretty, Deadpool's kind of a sick
and twisted character, and it would be kind of funny if Wolverine was in it for, like, two minutes,
and then Deadpool, like, poops on him or whatever, and then he smells so that he dies, and then
he's like, touch my balls, and, you know. You know, his Deadpool.
O'Neil: Anyway, speaking of Marvel, the 2010 draft. 2010. Arguably the decade of Marvel.
Tyler: not. Not one winner. No. Marvel movies are gonna affect Marvel, actually. Did they not get
a, special.
O'Neil: Effects win for a couple special effects.
Tyler: For one of them, I'm sure.
O'Neil: Infinity Wars, maybe, I don't know. But that was really what dominated the Culture in the
2010s, was superhero movies. Does anything else stand out to you guys from the 2010s, movie wise,
that.
Tyler: Is, like, particularly misses at the best picture win?
O'Neil: Yeah. I mean. Oh, yeah. We'll talk about it.
Tyler: There are. I counted. I consider three of them to be. Yeah.
O'Neil: Let me go down the list actually, really quick. It's 2010. Got it wrong. 2011. Got it
wrong. 2012. It was a mixed bag. 2013. 2014.
Josh Jackson: Birdman.
O'Neil: Birdman. I would say it just like Birdman.
Tyler: Is one of those weird movies where it's better as an achievement of a film than it is as a
movie.
O'Neil: Sure. Yeah. That's fair.
Tyler: people remember it for being an achievement and Michael Keaton and stuff, not. Cause it's a
good movie.
O'Neil: It's a great movie. 2015. Yeah. 2016. We're getting better. 2017. Listen, it's. Listen, it
was a weird year. I'm here for it.
Josh Jackson: 2018.
O'Neil: The worst Oscar year of that decade.
Tyler: Yeah, for sure.
O'Neil: 2019. They finally.
Tyler: What do you think should have won best picture in 2018 over green Book?
O'Neil: I'm not going to show my hand, you torturous traitor. but I have some thoughts and some
picks. Let's get into this draft, huh?
Josh Jackson: Huh?
Tyler: Do you want to break the rules down?
O'Neil: So, this is a movie draft. If you ever listen to, like, the big picture, they do this quite
a bit. We will be drafting movies for a team. Once you take a movie, it is no longer available in
any of the categories. You have to fulfill nine categories. We will be drafting in a snake fashion.
So we'll determine the order in a random order. and the first person will go 1st, 2nd, third. The
third person will then pick again, going back to second and first. Here are the categories you need
to draft in best picture, best actress, best actor, best director, best cinematography, best
supporting performance that can be actor or actress, best screenplay that's adapted or original.
And, then a wild card, which is a winner in any other category or, you know, one of these other
categories you want to pick in for best actress and actor in supporting performance. If you draft
the performer, the movie and the performer are no longer on the board. These are only the Oscar
winners. So it does narrow the field of view quite a bit.
Tyler: we didn't have any repeat actor winners.
O'Neil: Oh, we did.
Tyler: Who?
O'Neil: I'm not gonna show my hand.
Tyler: I'm just looking at the. This is literally what happened, O'Neil.
O'Neil: All right, and to decide the drafting order, we'll spin The Wheel of choosing. You guys can
see it behind me.
Josh Jackson: Yep.
Tyler: Let's go, baby.
Josh Jackson: Let's go. Let's do it.
O'Neil: Drafting first is.
Josh Jackson: Fuck. Fuck.
Tyler: God damn it.
O'Neil: Yes. God.
Tyler: Josh gets.
O'Neil: Damn it. God damn it.
Tyler: This might just. Whole draft is fucked. I don't know about you guys, but I think the first
Pick is extremely obvious. Not because whether it's the best movie or not, but it's the most value.
O'Neil: The value of the. Fuck me.
Tyler: All right. Damn it.
O'Neil: Second is. Fuck.
Josh Jackson: Let's go.
Tyler: I don't know. O'Neal's got the.
O'Neil: I got the turn, so I'll get some things that I care about. So the thing about this going in
the snake fashion is the person that goes first is also the person that goes last.
Tyler: Yes.
O'Neil: Now, because we have the wild card option, that's not necessarily as detrimental. Fuck. All
right, All right. so we'll be going in the order of Josh,
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O'Neil: Tyler. Me. Me, Tyler, Josh, Josh, would you like to just sort of rip the bandage off?
Tyler: Okay.
Josh Jackson: Yeah. I'm getting best picture for parasite. Fuck you guys.
Tyler: Super obvious.
Josh Jackson: I'm getting it. I'm just.
Tyler: Picture is so whack, man.
Josh Jackson: Yeah, I mean, I'm looking at this list. I'm just like, I mean, what other films has
made? Like, it's just. Parasite is one of those films. I've only watched it once, and I feel, like,
almost afraid to watch it again because the experience I had in the theater was just, like,
incredible.
Tyler: You know, last movie I Saw before COVID really? I was.
O'Neil: I don't remember.
Tyler: So I was in. So that was the year I was in London. so I didn't get to see it in 2019 when it
came out, and then 2020, we were moving in and doing stuff, and I just hadn't gotten to it. I won
at the oscars. I was like, all right, I need to. To make time to go see it. And Kai and I went and
saw it in at the lowe's in Boston, and two weeks later, the world shut down. His last movie I Saw
in theaters. Pretty fucked movie to be the last thing you saw.
Josh Jackson: I mean, thank God you saw it.
O'Neil: Listen, it's a nice portents for what's coming up... For the world. It's sort of a
revolution that's coming. Great Pick.
Tyler: Great Pick.
Josh Jackson: No, yeah. I was like, if I get. You know, I was looking.
O'Neil: That's everything.
Josh Jackson: I'm like, everyone's going for it. When I Saw I got first, I.
O'Neil: Was like, you definitely made the best Pick, but this is. This is not where. This is not
where the men are made, is all I'll say. Listen, there's still plenty of other great as you pick,
I'll go through and delete.
Josh Jackson: I don't mean to make enemies off the bat.
O'Neil: Sorry, guys.
Tyler: You're not making enemies. That was the obvious. That was definitely the obvious one. Oh,
fuck. All right, Tyler, I'm up. Oh, man, this is a real tough one because this.
Cause it's really a value play here. Cause I have some that I like more than others, but if someone
takes the second, I might end up with a real stinker at best picture.
Josh Jackson: Mm.
Tyler: Yeah, I think what I'm, I think I gotta be me, though. And I'm gonna take, Aaron Sorkin's
social network for screenplay.
O'Neil: Oh, okay. Interesting.
Tyler: I think it's the best. It's definitely the best screenplay of the decade. It might, it
didn't win best picture, but it might be one of the five best pictures of the decade. Yes, it is
one of my favorite movies of all time. David Finch is my favorite director. I gotta be me.
O'Neil: Okay.
Tyler: that's a very, that's a Tyler core Pick. Yes, for sure.
O'Neil: All right. This is great. This is actually fantastic. I kind of figured that if I wasn't
gonna go first, I was going to lose parasite. So I've made my peace with that internally. I'm going
to be drafting best animated film. I'm taking Spider man into the Spider verse. Let's fucking go.
Tyler: I knew that was going.
O'Neil: Oh my God, I can't believe I got, this is the one movie that I was like, if I lose this,
I'm going to, I'm gonna, it's over. So I needed Spider man into the Spider verse. This is the Lord
Miller Pick, obviously, you know, Spider man across the Spider verse just came out was, ah,
Hollywood Junior s number one movie of the year. Just into the Spider verse was groundbreaking for
animation. We saw puss in boots adapt this. We saw that, like, you don't have to have that 3d
cleanse of Pixar. You can like, be stylistic with it. and the way they are stylistic with it is
perfect for a Spider man movie and a comic book movie. And then they just up the ante again across
the Spider verse, which is like, I didn't know you could do that. So it's absolutely fantastic.
Josh Jackson: I think just like, it's just changed the game for animation. I'm so happy it did
because I feel like a lot of people, we complain about film not evolving or them doing the same
thing over and over again. And just like, this has changed across, I
mean, into the spider of Ant sequel.
O'Neil: Yes.
Josh Jackson: Changed industry. Yes. I'm like, thank God. Because now animated films are so much
more interesting.
O'Neil: Yes.
Josh Jackson: Yeah. This past year was an amazing year for animated films.
O'Neil: Thousand.
Josh Jackson: And I'm like, it's almost all things to. Into the spider verse.
O'Neil: Yeah. It like it up the ante in a way that I made other movies better.
Tyler: That's a Spider man movie also.
O'Neil: Yeah, listen, it's the best Spider man movie. and that is a long list. And it is also
Spider man is the best superhero. So I'm great. I'm so happy that I get Spider man into the Spider
verse now.
Tyler: Yeah, you get back to back.
O'Neil: This is the hard part. This is where. This is where the bread sort of needs to get made.
And I think m okay. Yeah. This is what I'm gonna do. This is what I'm gonna do in
best cinematography. I'll be taking Roma. Oh, you guys don't. Are you guys not Roma heads?
Tyler: I have no. I love Roma. I have Roma on my big board. But I would. I did.
O'Neil: I'm leaving something for Tyler specifically. But that doesn't mean that Josh won't fucking
take it. so I. Roma is Alfonso Carron's movie. He has other movies, but this is the one that's shot
by him. And it honestly feels like the most personal to him. This is also a time. This is 2018.
This is the time when I am in my movie bag, when I'm actually studying films,
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O'Neil: and I'm starting to understand what filmmaking is. This is the movie that taught me how to
eat my vegetables. Without Roma, there would be no, killers of the flower. Moon is my favorite
movie of 2024. Live action movie. So, yeah, it's like a deeply personal story by Alfonso Carrone
tied to Mexico and tied to this, like, deeply personal surprise.
Tyler: You didn't take it in, director.
O'Neil: Yeah. So I'm playing strategically. You cannot. You can take. You can take Alfonso Corona,
but you cannot take Roma. So you can take it for gravity if you wanted to.
Josh Jackson: Oh, fuck.
O'Neil: I just said, so I'll be taking, Roma off the board in, best cinematography. So with that,
Tyler, you're back up.
Tyler: Wow. A lot of options here for me after that cine Pick. See, here's the problem. I have
stuff that I want.
Tyler: But I also have value on the board.
O'Neil: Yes.
Tyler: And I think what I'm gonna do is take the second best picture. Second best picture and take
moonlight.
O'Neil: Yeah.
Tyler: I'm gonna leave O'Neil with, like, Birdman or twelve years of slave or something. No, I
have.
O'Neil: Can I give you a really, really, like, I'm gonna be lambasted for this for forever. I'm not
a huge fan of moonlight.
Tyler: Interesting.
O'Neil: I love what they're doing in that movie. I just. There's some parts of that movie that just
don't. I love Beale street. If we're talking about that director, Beale street was the one that
really hit for me. If Beale street could talk. Moonlight was a great step in that direction and
obviously has, like, super crazy important moments. I also never saw
it in theaters. I didn't see it until it came out streaming, but I can see how if you saw that
movie in theaters.
Tyler: So that year was. This is the first oscars where I was like, I'm going to watch everything.
Movies are my personality now.
O'Neil: Yeah.
Tyler: and listen, I was 16, so I was a big la la land head. But, you know, when I Saw Moonlight, I
was like, oh, yeah, it's stunningly beautiful movie. Like, visually and, emotionally, it's. As a
Florida man, I love any movie set in Florida. It really hits home for me. Anything like that. It's
very nostalgic. I grew up in Miami. I went to elementary school down there.
O'Neil: Okay, okay, okay. So you have a little bit more.
Tyler: So that sort of aesthetic is very nostalgic for me. Like, growing, like, his elementary
school looked like my elementary school, you know? Okay, yeah, that's fair. You know, maybe I
didn't quite relate to it as, ah. As a straight white man, you know, kind of an interesting pick
for moonlight, but I do really love that movie. so I. It is a value Pick for me here, but I do also
quite like that.
Josh Jackson: Okay.
Tyler: I think it's the second best of the best picture nominee.
Josh Jackson: not a lot to Pick.
O'Neil: All right, Josh.
Josh Jackson: Okay, you're back up.
O'Neil: You have two picks.
Josh Jackson: I get two picks?
O'Neil: You get two picks.
Josh Jackson: I'm gonna go, for a supporting actor. JK Simmons. Whiplash. I can't believe you guys
didn't pick that. That is the, dog.
Tyler: Get out of here. I can still see you, mini me.
Josh Jackson: Yeah, no, like that. Because I'm looking through other categories, and I'm like,
okay, there's a couple supporting actor. Like, this is, quintessential JK Simmons performance.
O'Neil: Oh.
Josh Jackson: Like, it's almost, like, redefined.
O'Neil: It's crazy. It did redefine his career. It's crazy. It took this long for him to get an
Oscar, but this is a fantastic.
Tyler: What if we made j. Jonah Jameson just the core of the movie?
O'Neil: Yeah.
Tyler: And we let him say fuck.
Josh Jackson: Like, almost like all his performances after this is like. You know. Cause I think
before whiplash, he kind of played like, maybe nicer characters, and then after this, he's like,
okay, dude, we got it. This guy's incredible at cursing people out, you know?
O'Neil: That's very true. That is very true.
Josh Jackson: Yeah, gotta. Yeah. Jake, there's some other good best supporting.
O'Neil: Can I tell you?
Josh Jackson: JK Simmons is amazing.
O'Neil: actually, no, I'm not gonna show my hand yet.
Josh Jackson: Let'S see. Oh, I get two pics. I forgot about that.
O'Neil: Yep. Tyler, what's your love? I'll let you. You think on it. Tyler, what's your love of,
whiplash, what's your damage?
Tyler: Best movie.
Josh Jackson: Yeah.
Tyler: Really?
O'Neil: You like it over Babylon? I thought you were a big Babylon head.
Tyler: I'm not a Babylon head. I like Babylon. It's not tight. Whiplash is like a perfectly
crafted, tight screenplay. It's a perfect screenplay, which none of his other films are. His other,
like, he's. Chazelle's thing is, he's like a master craftsman for sure. But I feel like he. Like
with Babylon, like over the. Like he. It's like perfect, tight, incredible film with whiplash.
Like, it's perfectly optimized, you know what I mean? And, then it slightly goes downhill with la
la land. It's good, but it's really good. I love la la land, but it's not.
There's some flaws or whatever, and then you get first man, which kind of disappeared, and then you
get Babylon, and he's totally lost in the sauce.
O'Neil: what do you think? Do you think Damien Shizel is gonna go the way of Big Jim James Cameron,
where he's gonna find his one piece of
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O'Neil: thing that he's gonna get super obsessed with and then go off on that Zemeckis?
Tyler: I don't think he's a Zemeckis type.
O'Neil: Or do you think he's gonna just keep on trying to explore and go the artsy way and not try
to make.
Tyler: I think, well, whatever his next film is, they're not gonna give him any money for it. So I
think whatever he does next, just to do what he wants to do.
Tyler: It's gotta be.
O'Neil: That's fair.
Tyler: Actually, you know what I think? I think he's working on a tv show right now.
O'Neil: That's what a lot of directors have done.
Tyler: yeah, I think he. I would like to see him strip it back to a, you know, a whiplash sized
scale. You know, that's right?
Josh Jackson: Yeah. I'm gonna go for best director. Gravity by Alfonso Ciran. I think I just.
O'Neil: I'm like, fucked me, Josh. You fucked me.
Tyler: I like it.
Josh Jackson: That's not what I was gonna do.
O'Neil: It's fine. It's fine.
Josh Jackson: Yeah, I just. I mean, like. Yeah.
Tyler: it's.
O'Neil: There's.
Josh Jackson: I'm looking at the list, and I just, like, there's a lot of other, like, one take ish
type of movies.
Tyler: Can I be honest with you guys? Gravity sucks. I don't like that.
Josh Jackson: Wow.
O'Neil: That's a fucking hot take. That's crazy.
Josh Jackson: I see it in iMax, though.
O'Neil: That's.
Tyler: No, I was 13 when it came out. I didn't watch it.
O'Neil: That was one of my earlier movies that I had seen in.
Tyler: Wildly, scientifically inaccurate.
Josh Jackson: It is.
Tyler: Makes no sense.
O'Neil: Do you think whiplash is scientifically accurate?
Tyler: It's pretty. Yeah. You know, it's like. I just.
Josh Jackson: It.
Tyler: It just doesn't work for me. You know? I can. I can, I guess my. My hottest take is, like, I
don't get Sandra Bullock. Like, I get it.
O'Neil: Oh.
Tyler: But, like, as an act, like, just not, like, m my.
O'Neil: Like, I'm a sucker for space, I think.
Tyler: And.
Josh Jackson: And just, I think was children of men before gravity, or.
Tyler: Yeah, children was 2000.
Josh Jackson: Yeah. And it's just got. It's got the children, like, the one take ish vibes.
O'Neil: Like he said, this is when he was really in his one take.
Tyler: Gravity's all CGI. I feel like children of men when they. Like, there's that car scene where
they're rotating the camera in the middle of the car while they're being attacked. I'm like, they
did that. You know? They didn't go to space for gravity.
O'Neil: You don't know that.
Tyler: That's true. That's true.
Josh Jackson: So many movies.
Tyler: Let's get off onto. On the phone.
Josh Jackson: So many movies nowadays, they do everything CG, you know? But I feel like when
gravity came out, it was like, oh, wait, this is all CG. It's like a surprise that it was all CG.
Tyler: That's true. Which I. CG isn't necessarily bad.
O'Neil: Yeah, I was before. Oh, God.
Josh Jackson: I was just saying I think. I think it looks good, you know, being all CG, you know?
So I feel like, That's why I give it a lot of credit.
Tyler: Like, it's one of those. It's in that Birdman camp of it's. For me, it's impressive more
than it is a movie I actually like. And we'll go back to be honest.
Josh Jackson: I don't think I've seen it since I watched.
Tyler: That's my point, is it's. You watch it once in theaters, you go, and then you're done, you
know?
O'Neil: Yeah, no, I think it's a great.
Tyler: But definitely a good value Pick, for sure.
Josh Jackson: It was, yeah. The theatrical experience of just being.
O'Neil: This was my CG Pick. When I was first putting together this draft, I. Because the way the
Oscars, like, denote their thing. I was looking at the 2010 Oscars and seeing Avatar, and I was
like, oh, fuck, yeah, Avatar. But that's actually 2009. so this was gonna be my big, like, CG is
important. Get it? But no, this, is good.
Josh Jackson: All right, that would be it for me.
Tyler: Tyler, I'm torn between two. I'm m torn between my heart and my brain.
O'Neil: Oh, so you're torn between going for the populous vote?
Tyler: I'm torn between taking something in cine and taking a director to fuck O'Neil.
O'Neil: Tyler, draft with your heart.
Josh Jackson: Do it. His House says, don't be a fucking.
O'Neil: Hey, don't be a sellout, all right? We don't sell out here on Hollywood, Junior, unless
we're selling ads. And I can tell you that this episode doesn't have ads. So vote and draft with
your fucking heart.
Tyler: I'm gonna say Guillermo del Toro and director for shape of water.
O'Neil: You're a bastard. You're a bastard.
Tyler: Listen, listen. I know. I know. It's one of those, like, there are three cinematographies
that I would be happy with. Roma was not one of them.
O'Neil: Okay?
Tyler: You're a bad mood. So I. You know, it's one of those, like, I listen not to show anybody's
hand. O'Neil likes to joke I'm a big deacon's head, but, like, I'm really. I love Deacon. Who
doesn't like deacons? But it's like, you know, if I don't get that, if you guys steal that from me,
it's fine. Guillermo del Toro is definitely was my second choice in director. I really love the
shape of water. Feels like a movie that's kind of gotten forgotten over time a little bit. like,
not in the zeitgeist. It's so good. And it proved to me that love is real.
Josh Jackson: That's the movie.
O'Neil: The sign language. I will say the sign language was a little shaky.
Tyler: Listen, I'm just saying.
O'Neil: I'm just saying. But no. Fucking Guillermo del toro, man.
Josh Jackson: Yeah.
Tyler: Guillermo del toro. One of our best working directors.
O'Neil: Yeah.
Tyler: Very excited for his Wolf man movie starring so
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Tyler: many people, so many good. Jacob Elordi.
O'Neil: I have no idea what you're talking about. I didn't know he's making a wolf.
Tyler: Man movie with Jacob Elordi.
O'Neil: Okay, like, wolf man sounds weird.
Tyler: Like the wolf man. Straight up. Like a werewolf movie.
Josh Jackson: Like, why do you just. What. DC's a great director. Why do. Why do a remake?
O'Neil: You know, because what was the pan's labyrinth was really, like, fucking.
Tyler: That's when he saw, fucking a Pacific rim. Are you kidding me? I love. That's my favorite
giant monster movie for sure.
Josh Jackson: When you. When a director directs a film and a sequel comes out. Not directed by
them.
Josh Jackson: And then you see the value of their direction, you know? Man, that Pacific Rim
sequel, I mean, like, why even make that, man? I'm just like. It was.
O'Neil: Well, he didn't direct the.
Josh Jackson: Exactly. Exactly. It looked like, our guy,
Tyler: They really left our guy out to dry. Finn from Star wars.
O'Neil: Okay, it's my turn now. All right.
Tyler: John Boyega. John Boyega.
O'Neil: I love John Boyega. Let me. Let me get that.
Tyler: He's really good in they clone Tyrone. You guys see that one?
O'Neil: I have not good. So I sun like the top of my list. Okay. Fuck, this really shook things
up... For me. All right.
Tyler: No actors yet.
O'Neil: Yeah, speaking of actors, I know JK Simmons was taken. That's true. That's true. Oh, but I
have two. Actually. Oh. In, for best actor, I'm gonna be taking Leonardo DiCaprio for the Revenant.
Leo's Oscar. He finally got an Oscar. He finally got an Oscar.
Tyler: Yeah. Not. Wasn't at the top of my list for actor, gotta say. But that's not his best
performance.
O'Neil: But I'm not necessarily drafting him for the revenant. I mean, obviously, you're just
having.
Tyler: You just want him on the roster.
O'Neil: You know, it's Leonardo Defaki Capri. So I will be taking Leonardo DiCaprio.
Tyler: Crazy that he didn't get nominated for killers of the flower moon.
O'Neil: Oh, yeah, yeah. I mean, he was kind of. He. I think it was an intentional play by him. He
wasn't really pushing for himself. And, you know, you have to buy a billboard and all that stuff.
Tyler: I think he can afford it. O'Neil.
O'Neil: Well, yeah, I think he was de emphasizing himself specifically so that Lily Gladstone
could, secure that spot for best actress.
Tyler: Yeah, she's pretty much a lock.
O'Neil: Yeah. Does not leave me a lot of room for other things. You guys want to talk about
something for a second while I figure out what.
Tyler: Yeah. You want to talk about the revenant? You like revenant?
Josh Jackson: I liked it.
O'Neil: Climbed inside of a bear. Guys, come on.
Josh Jackson: But it's just, like, the, reason I wouldn't have chosen Leo for that. I mean, I get
choosing him. I get choosing him, like, performances, but it's just, like, fine, here's your Oscar.
Tyler: Just.
O'Neil: It wasn't for his best work. It definitely wasn't for his best work.
Tyler: It's one of those funny things where that movie. You know what's funny is I don't have
anything to. I don't have a lot to say about. They shot it all. It's like, it's. Everyone talks
about it because Inoritsu and, Lubezki shot it entirely with natural light, just out in the woods.
Josh Jackson: Oh, yeah. Ah.
Tyler: And it looks incredible, and it's very impressive. I don't know. There's, like, the whole
thing where he's, like, he ate a real bison Liver. And I'm like, have you tried acting? Like. I
don't know. I just.
Josh Jackson: Whatever.
O'Neil: It is definitely, like a. I think the revenant year especially is, like, that last real.
Like, we're.
Tyler: We're awarding someone for how hard the job was, not for how good they.
O'Neil: Were, not even that. more so. Just like, the Oscars as a voting body is, like, we have to
finish out the work before we bring in this new class that we're about to.
Josh Jackson: Right.
O'Neil: Essentially, like, this is before, you know, the moonlight and. And everything.
Tyler: We just have to fill. Yeah, we need to put in the work. We need to bring. We need to vote
for moonlight and green book.
O'Neil: Yeah, exactly. Like, they have. They have some green book. Jesus Christ. they have a lot
of.
Tyler: You don't mention green book as the worst oscars thing to ever. Like, people always joke
about, like, the worst oscars snubs being, like, saving, private Ryan, losing to Shakespeare in
love. Like, green book. Winning that Oscar is the worst thing that's ever happened at the Oscars.
Josh Jackson: Biggest Oscar snubs. I do have my. This is, like, the snub that made me, like, almost
pretty much give up on the Oscars and because I'm a big animated movie guy. Love animated movies.
The reason I haven't picked an animated film yet, because I love a lot of them, you know?
O'Neil: Yeah.
Josh Jackson: But, dude, the Lego movie for 2014, not even being nominated. like, we're talking
about spider Verse. Innovating, innovating. the animation industry. The Lego movie was the first
one to do that, you know, where like, okay, you don't, not everything has to look like a Pixar or
Disney film. You know, you don't need that realistic look. You can have different styles. Like the
Lego movie did that, and then the Peanuts movie also did that the following year where they changed
the animation.
O'Neil: Oh, that's true.
Tyler: That one kind of gets under looked.
Josh Jackson: Because everyone talks about into the spiders. I'm just like, hey, the Peanuts movie
did that, you know, a little bit before where they imitated a, different art style. Style.
O'Neil: Yeah.
Josh Jackson: And I just love that. And, it's a good movie,
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Josh Jackson: you know, it's entertaining, it's, the screenplay is witty. And I'm just like, when
it didn't get even nominated, I was like, okay, you guys are too high up Disney's ass just to,
like, even see how influential this film is going to be, you know? And thank God Lord and Miller
did not give up on trying to innovate animation.
O'Neil: Yes.
Josh Jackson: Because then we got into the spider first. Yeah. So I'm a big Lego movie guy.
O'Neil: Yeah. Thank you for vamping for me. I have, made peace with my God. I will be taking in
best actress, Natalie Portman or Backswan.
Tyler: Yeah, that's fair enough.
O'Neil: is this before parasite? This is the scariest Oscar movie to be recognized in the academy.
Tyler: I feel like it has some pretty spooky.
O'Neil: It's not really that. It's not like scary thriller scary. It's like, you know, I would say,
like.
Tyler: I mean, joker's pretty.
O'Neil: It's wasted.
Tyler: no, but there's like some thrilling stuff. There's upsetting. Definitely before that.
O'Neil: Definitely.
Tyler: But not like in this, not in that way.
O'Neil: You could, you could make the argument. Black Swan is a horror movie. And
winning one in a horror movie, winning the top five is like, pretty get out. Screenplay isn't in
the top five, is it? Isn't it? Cinematography, acting, actress, supporting.
Supporting.
Tyler: What do you mean? Oh, yeah, it's, yeah, it's, yeah.
O'Neil: But anyway, you know, Natalie Portman's performance is incredible. And Natalie Portman.
Just having Natalie Portman on my, on.
Tyler: My draft isn't great to have her here. Welcome in, Natalie.
O'Neil: Thank you.
Tyler: You got snubbed for May December.
O'Neil: Yeah. All right. Tyler, you're up.
Tyler: Oh, man.
Tyler: I don't know. Fuck it. It came all the way back around to me. I'll take Blade Runner 2049 in
cinematography. Like, I almost took it last time and then neither of you took it.
So I'm just going to take it. I would have accepted Wally Pfister for inception or Linus Sandgren
for La La Land. Those are both also great, but I got to take my guy. My boy. That's right. He's
mine. Roger Deakins. Blade Runner 2049, one of the most impressive looking movies of, the decade of
all time. I love cyberpunk.
O'Neil: Sure.
Tyler: And, yeah, my guy raj.
Josh Jackson: Yeah.
Tyler: I don't know. Do you guys have anything to say about Blade Runner 2049?
O'Neil: I haven't seen it.
Josh Jackson: I mean, it was like, I feel like sometimes I go into certain films thinking, okay,
this is gonna be really slow.
Tyler: It's funny because the original Blade Runner is a very slow movie. Like, it is a slow,
quiet, evenly paced movie. Despite its reputation as, like, you know, this crazy cyberpunk Sci-Fi
thing.
Josh Jackson: I remember watching because I watched the original Blade Runner maybe a couple years
ago, and I remember thinking, oh, wow, this film influenced the color and look of this film has
influenced, like, all film.
Tyler: Basically invented the cyberpunk genre, you know.
Josh Jackson: And it's got, like, the orange hues and the blue, cold, cold blue tones, you know,
and I'm just like, okay, wow, this. This film could come out today and it looks like a modern film.
O'Neil: Yeah.
Josh Jackson: Which is amazing.
O'Neil: Now, is it responsible for the CGI blech that we get and the way it's all colored? Because
I feel like infinity Wars specifically stole from that color palette.
Tyler: Here's the. Yes, but it's like, Blade Runner 2049 in particular. It's one of those funny
things where you're like, you see, oh, someone who's good. When you see someone who's good at their
job doing a similar thing, you're like, oh, this is why it's good. You know, it's like those dark
neons. Like, there's a lot of stuff with, like, the, you know, neon colored lighting where you're
like, this just looks like garbage. But, in the hands of a master cinematographer like Deakins and
Denis Villeneuve, directing it, good time, you know. Cause it's also like everyone likes to talk
about the, you know, the scene where he's staring up at the hundred, hundred story tall Ana de
Armis or whatever. Like, that's the still that gets used. And, like, the shots of him, like,
walking through the streets. But it's also, like the stuff out in the desert where he meets
Harrison Ford and it's all orange. And there's the scenes where in the fake sort of holodeck with
the. The trees and the lighting there, like, sort of naturalistic lighting. there's this stuff that
I really love. The. When he's doing the debriefing in the all white room is really, really good.
It's all really, it's all, it's just, it's like, I could just have a book of stills from that
movie.
O'Neil: I'm sure there's a coffee table book.
Tyler: Yeah, exactly. yeah, so that's what I'm gonna go with. Mm.
O'Neil: All right, Josh, you're up.
Josh Jackson: All right, all right, all right. I got a. I gotta grab. I think I gotta grab my best
actress and best actor now. I'm a little nervous about, maybe I should just abandon, cuz, because I
daresay I haven't chosen screenplay, animator, cinematography yet. And there's a couple ones there
that.
O'Neil: Yep.
Josh Jackson: I'm afraid they're gonna get eaten up.
O'Neil: Nobody's going, nobody's going foreign film. I was thinking about drafting
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O'Neil: everything. If it got dire in animated, I was thinking about drafting Roma in foreign film.
Tyler: That would have been good. It would have left the space for other stuff. Yeah.
Josh Jackson: I, think I'm just gonna take Brie, Larson in room for best actress.
Tyler: Interesting fucking movie.
Josh Jackson: Okay. It's one of the movies I've watched once.
O'Neil: Mm
Josh Jackson: But I'm also. It's kind of like you picking Leo.
Tyler: Yeah, it would be weird. It would be weird if you were a big room guy. You're like, yeah,
throw it on every other night.
O'Neil: Listen, the first, like, hour of that movie is fucking thrilling.
Josh Jackson: And it's fucking. Yeah, that's pure performance right there. I mean, for a while, one
of my favorite movies of all time was short, term twelve with Brie Larson.
Love that. Like, that was one that introduced me to Brie Larson and I was like, man, she is
incredible. yeah, in that movie, Brie Lawson for room and.
O'Neil: Can I ask something? I'll let you think on it. Why don't we have, like, best child actor as
a Oscar?
Tyler: Why don't we have best stunts? Like, we're getting best casting, but it's like, best
casting. That's gonna be a new one. That's terrible.
O'Neil: We should have best choreography, which would include stunt and dance.
Josh Jackson: Isn't best casting just best actor?
Tyler: No, best casting is like, as a whole. As a casting the movie as a whole. M so best ensemble,
really.
O'Neil: It's what it is.
Tyler: So, like, getting knives out probably would have won that, like, anything.
Josh Jackson: Only ensembles are gonna win. You know, that's true.
Tyler: Like, small movies. Yeah. I don't know.
O'Neil: A deep bench. It's just to get more famous people at the.
Josh Jackson: I see, I see, I see, I see. I think I'm also gonna get, I'm not gonna lie. A lot of
these best actor categories have not seen a bunch of no.
O'Neil: Pocs winning any of these. Romney Mount. Like, you could make the artist.
Tyler: You guys get supporting.
O'Neil: Yeah, that's it.
Josh Jackson: Hey, 2010. Times are changing, so. But I'm gonna go, Colin, for the king's speech.
Tyler: Oh, wow.
Josh Jackson: I did like King speech. I love, I've actually watched King's speech, like, a couple
times.
O'Neil: Okay.
Josh Jackson: Wow.
O'Neil: I've never actually.
Josh Jackson: It's just like, you know, it's good vibes. Yeah, he's, he's doing, he's doing the
lisp. You know, he's like, it's like, impressive that he's doing from a technical performance, you
know? And, I like Colin Firth a lot.
Tyler: I do love Colin Firth. no notes on Colin Firth. I remember when he was in Mamma Mia.
O'Neil: Huh?
Tyler: He was in Mamma Mia. Kingsman. See Kingsman.
Josh Jackson: Kingsman.
O'Neil: Oh, yeah.
Tyler: He's the father figure in the first.
O'Neil: Oh, he's dead.
Tyler: Oh, I love him.
Josh Jackson: He was good.
Tyler: You know, Just one of your classically trained british actors. Sue, is good at everything.
And you can just put him in stuff in a suit, and you're like, oh, yeah, there he
is. He's doing stuff.
O'Neil: Yeah.
Tyler: But, yeah, I do like the King speech. That one is, the. Him winning over Jesse Eisenberg for
the social network is my big, is a big, rough one for me.
O'Neil: Why, why were they. I guess it was Fincher. They just really didn't.
Tyler: The Oscars hate Fincher. Zodiac didn't get a single nomination.
O'Neil: It's so weird.
Tyler: I don't know why they hit.
O'Neil: Do you think if Fincher, he got.
Tyler: All his nominations for fucking Benjamin Button.
Josh Jackson: Is he like, well, that's because of CG.
O'Neil: Oscars will love CG.
Josh Jackson: Is he, like, the same vein as, like, Christopher Nolan, where they got their own
style, but the Oscar's like, you're gonna do your thing.
Tyler: Fincher.
O'Neil: Nolan's been represented so many times. I mean, in this particular Oscar decade, he's not
Fincher.
Tyler: Well, the reason Fincher doesn't come up much in this decade is he. They basically
completely snub him for gone girl after he. The only win social network gets is for screenplay, and
then Netflix buys him off, and everything else he's made since has been on Netflix.
O'Neil: oh, I forgot to mention that.
Tyler: He made House of cards in mind. Hunter. And then just this last year, he made the killer.
And the Oscars were like, nope, not, the killer.
O'Neil: This is the thing. I think if today, if Fincher really went ham and made, like, a complete
masterpiece, he could be nominated.
Tyler: I think part of it is Fincher has this reputation as a workaday director as, like, the.
Cause he doesn't have a single screenplay credit on any of his films. He didn't write any of them.
So he's not seen as, like, an artiste. He's like, a pure style commercial director. He elevates the
work that he's picking, despite the fact that. It's just silly to me that the best director of the
21st century in the nineties is like, they just completely ignore him because they can say he
doesn't have a personal tie to any of his films, which is ridiculous. Clearly, he has running
themes throughout his films.
Josh Jackson: It's more impressive when you were just a find material that you connect with and
just adapt to be able to.
Tyler: Make m masterpieces out of just random stuff that people, you know, are m writing. Like,
that's insanely impressive.
Josh Jackson: Yeah, we need more of that. I mean, like, yeah, just.
Tyler: He made the best music video of all time for George Michael.
O'Neil: I don't.
Tyler: Freedom 90.
O'Neil: Oh, okay. Yes.
Tyler: Freedom.
Josh Jackson: those are my two picks.
O'Neil: All right. There is, All right, Tyler,
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O'Neil: you're up.
Tyler: Oh, I'm up. So I still have animated, international wild card and all of my actors.
O'Neil: Yep.
Tyler: I'm going to your big crafts guy.
O'Neil: Big crafts guy.
Tyler: Go figure. The DP is a big crafts guy. I'm going to go with. Here's a problem. I want to
take actor actress. But you guys have both picked actor and actress already, right?
O'Neil: yes, but not supporting.
Tyler: But not supporting. So I'm going to go supporting because I'm going to get whoever I want,
an actor, actress coming up here because you guys have already picked. I'm gonna take Christoph
Waltz and django unchained.
Josh Jackson: Oh, yeah, yeah. That was my. Okay, that was my second.
O'Neil: Let's talk about it.
Tyler: django unchained. M. Tarantino's best movie. Question mark.
O'Neil: No, no.
Tyler: But it's pulp fiction?
O'Neil: Well, what.
Tyler: Listen.
O'Neil: I would put hateful a above the Django unchained. What? What are you talking about? That's
a crazy.
Tyler: Oh, hateful eight is one of his. M is one of his bottom tier movies. I don't like the
hateful eight at all. You like the hateful eight more than Django Unchained.
O'Neil: Yeah.
Tyler: That's crazy. That's a crazy.
O'Neil: He's still in. In Django. He's.
Tyler: I think Django's probably my number three for him. I like inglourious bastards, and I like,
pulp fiction over it, but Django's probably number three.
Josh Jackson: Django change has just so many good performances. Like Leo.
Tyler: That's, if we're being honest, that's probably the one Leonardo DiCaprio should have won
for. But he said the n word a bunch of times, so they didn't want to give it to him.
O'Neil: Yeah.
Tyler: My favorite story from any tarantino set is on Django Unchained, where Leonardo DiCaprio
was, like, having trouble saying the lines on the very first day because he was so uncomfortable.
And Jamie Foxx pulled him aside, and was, like, had this long talk.
It's like. It's just the acting. You can do it. It's all okay. It's fine. And apparently, Samuel L.
Jackson walked over and was like, motherfucker, it's Tuesday. Can we fucking move it on? Just say
the fucking lines.
Josh Jackson: I love it. I love it.
O'Neil: It's so funny. and he also, the story, by the way, smashes.
Tyler: But, yeah, he smashed a hand and walked through it like, this is actual blood. in Django
Unchained is so good. It's such a good performance. It's the. It's the Christ. He's just doing.
That is the Christoph waltz performance that he does and everything, but that's the. This is the ur
Christoph waltz, where he's just a quirky german man.
Josh Jackson: Yeah.
Tyler: probably his second best because he didn't win for inglourious bastards.
Josh Jackson: Right?
Tyler: yes.
O'Neil: That's what I was gonna say. Like, if you're. The argument I could see you're making for
this is that this was his.
Tyler: This is for any time he shows up in a Tarantino movie. It's a banger on chain.
Josh Jackson: Before, I was after. Okay. Yeah. Okay. You know what I'm thinking of? His performance
in inglourious bastards.
Tyler: Just any time in Jang Unchained, he's like, I am her. Huh?
O'Neil: Schultz.
Tyler: And this is my horse, Fritz, and the horse bows. I'm like, this is great. I love this. This
is great. He's very good. I mean, the other options, just like, mahershala Ali's gone for
moonlight.
O'Neil: Yeah.
Tyler: And none of the other ones really speak to me as, like, something I.
O'Neil: It's black history month. You gotta be careful, man.
Tyler: Listen, I have. Listen, I haven't seen twelve years as a slave in, like, ten years.
O'Neil: There's some great performances in this. but cool. So you've picked, Christoph waltz for
Django. Django? Django.
Tyler: Django?
O'Neil: Django. Unchained. okay. Nobody.
Tyler: My businessman.
Josh Jackson: Yeah, hello.
O'Neil: I have to pick two. And I probably should secure. Yeah, I need to secure, Get out for
screenplay.
Tyler: Yeah, that was my.
O'Neil: Cause I knew somebody's gonna snap that on.
Tyler: That was my number two. You know what the funny thing is? Screenplay is loaded. There's four
or five in there.
Josh Jackson: I was like, I'm fine if I don't get.
Tyler: That's the thing is, I know I took social network first, but I was like, I would have been
fine with get out.
O'Neil: Or there's another one.
Tyler: There's another one that I really love.
O'Neil: Wild card. That I, Yeah, screenplays overloaded. But Jordan Peele, this is like, if we're
talking about current, like, implications, this is like, the thing that has made our current scape
feasible, possible, and extant, like, yeah, talk about it's an it's time moment. Like, it's crazy
that it wasn't. At least, was it nominated for best picture? I don't think he was even nominated
for best picture. Oh, no, it was. It was nominated, but it didn't win. But it's just a great, great
screenplay, great story. And, like, this is what has made Jordan Peele so in his bag as a writer.
He's, like, a really good writer. So for screenplay, I'll be drafting get out, and then, I can, I
got a lot of stuff on the table here. I
know that nobody's gonna Pick my best picture, and nobody's gonna piss Pick my best director. So I
think, I'm gonna go with. Do we want to recap real quick? It's kind of in the halfway point. Do we
want to recap what everybody has?
Tyler: Yeah, sure.
O'Neil: So, Josh, for best picture, parasite, you motherfucker. For best director, gravity, you
motherfucker.
Tyler: I disagree with that.
O'Neil: For best, actress, Brie Larson. For best actor, Colin firth. and
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O'Neil: for best supporting, JK Simmons in Whiplash, for me, I have best actress, Natalie Portman.
Best actor, leonardo diCaprio. Best cinematography, roma. No. Best supporting. For best animated, I
have Spider man into the spider verse. And for best screenplay, I have get out, Tyler. For best
picture, you have moonlight. For best director, you have the shape of water, you motherfucker. For,
cinematography, you have blade runner. For best supporting, you have Christoph waltz. And so with
that, I think it's time I pick my wild card. I'm gonna do this early because I think I have a
dearth of supporting. and nobody's gonna pick my best picture, best director for wild card. I will
be taking, black Panther for its win in production design.
Tyler: That's fine.
O'Neil: Black Panther. Ryan Coogler's, You know, it's fucking Ryan Coogler, man. It's the first
time.
Tyler: Look, it's an O'Neil corp.
O'Neil: talk, man. Fucking. I need him to start picking up the pace because I need more movies from
Ryan Coogler. I miss. I miss seeing this stuff.
Tyler: Black Panther two, the producer stuff, huh? Huh?
O'Neil: Yeah, he's leaning to the producer stuff. He's making. Remaking the x Files right now. He's
also been, like, pretty.
Tyler: Making the X Files. That's sick. I'm actually so excited. It's gonna be great. I love x
Files.
O'Neil: And, Yeah, he's just like. He's another one. Him and Jordan Peele. I think this is a good,
like, duo is like, this is the new generation of filmmakers that I'm just super excited to see
anything that has their name on it. So, wild card, I'll be taking Black Panther. All right, Tyler,
you're up.
Tyler: So I have actor, and honestly, I'm now gonna. Now that you both have actor actress, I'm
gonna save those for the end. So that just leaves animated, international and wild card. in wild
card, I'm gonna take Mad Fury Road for editing.
O'Neil: Sure.
Tyler: Mad Fury Road is the best action movie of the 21st century. Sorry. It is, it might be the
best movie picked so far. It's one of the best movies of all time. Fuck you, Mad Fury Road. I gotta
be me.
O'Neil: Still haven't seen it.
Tyler: Joshua, do you have. Have you seen Mad Fury Road?
Josh Jackson: I have.
Josh Jackson: Yo, man, that is hot take. But I. When I first saw it, I wasn't too into it, but I've
since changed my ways. I've. I've. I've seen the error.
Tyler: Did you see it in theater?
Josh Jackson: I did see it in theater. What? And I think.
Tyler: I think it's a five movie for sure.
Josh Jackson: I was just not prepared for what the director was gonna. It's pure action. It's a
masterpiece. Right? And I was not like. I think I was not prepared for that.
Tyler: It's just what it was when Martin Scorsese was like, movies are roller coasters. This is
what he's talking about.
O'Neil: This is it.
Tyler: Guy playing a guitar, shoots fire out of the guitar, and then you fight the guitar guy on a
car in the desert. It's awesome.
Josh Jackson: Yeah, that's.
Tyler: There was a guy. They did it. They strung a guy up on a car with a fire guitar.
Josh Jackson: It really is a masterpiece. And I like that. That's part of the thing that I was
like, man, I'm glad. I eventually, I was like, oh, my gosh. Wow. How could I been? So I think.
O'Neil: What?
Josh Jackson: I don't know what I was expecting when I went to see it.
Tyler: Listen, I know this is a famous story in my family that I watched this movie on my own in a
theater. And then I went to my parents and was like, you guys gotta see this movie. Big
recommendation from Tyler. And we watched it at home, and my mom was like, this is the worst thing
I've ever seen. What the fuck are you like, I'm never trusting.
Josh Jackson: What movie was it?
Tyler: Mad Max. Yeah.
Josh Jackson: Okay, okay, okay.
Tyler: And I was like, listen, I don't know what to tell you. It is one of the best crafted
movies I've ever seen in terms of, like, that's why I took it. In editing specifically, it is the
most well shot and edited action movie. Like, you can follow everything. the way they use eye
lines.
Josh Jackson: He centers everything in the middle of the centers everything.
Tyler: The way he edits with your eyelines is so impressive. everything is done. It's done 90%
practically, with just a little CGI over the top to make it work. I know this is a Tyler Pick,
O'Neil, and I know you haven't seen it, but I think I stole something here, because, sure, I. I
will let the.
O'Neil: The. I mean, this. This is a people's Pick, and I.
Tyler: This movie won five oscars.
O'Neil: Yes.
Tyler: It. It just didn't win in any of the categories where it didn't win any of the big
categories. It won everything below the line.
O'Neil: Yeah.
Tyler: so, Mad Max, free road.
Josh Jackson: Wait, just to be clear, the wild card is from the other categories that are not you
big.
Tyler: Any. No, you can pick anything that is one of.
Josh Jackson: Not gonna lie. I don't remember the other.
O'Neil: Good. All good.
Josh Jackson: Okay. Is it, Ah. Am I up?
O'Neil: Yep.
Josh Jackson: Okay, so, yeah, I'm gonna get my animated film, and I'm gonna get my screenplay.
okay, my might. This might be some. Some hot takes.
O'Neil: Oh, boy.
Josh Jackson: Here we go.
O'Neil: Here we go.
Tyler: Here we go.
Josh Jackson: I'm rain.
O'Neil: Go.
Tyler: What if I told you that's on, like, a pickup?
Josh Jackson: Yeah.
O'Neil: I fucking
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O'Neil: love Renko. Not over spider verse, but I love Renga.
Josh Jackson: I think I'm gonna go, her written by Spike Jones for screenplay.
Tyler: That was my number two screenplay.
Josh Jackson: Yeah, it was, it's, yeah. I do love that film. It's just, it's just a solid, solid
script. And, you know, it's Spike Jones. We got, you know, I just watched.
Tyler: Her recently, like a couple weeks ago. It is one of the best movies about love ever made.
Josh Jackson: Yeah.
Tyler: Not to be sappy for a second, but, between that and the taste of things, O'Neil and I Saw
the taste of things earlier this week. I was like, wow, I'm overcome with the love for the concept
of love.
O'Neil: Haven't seen it. Haven't seen her. I'm sorry, guys, I'm dropping the bag.
Tyler: Embarrassing.
O'Neil: It's an AI movie about romance, and it's just, it's been, that's been so, the problem is it
just keeps on getting pushed down the list.
Josh Jackson: Yeah, I will say an underrated thing about her is the world building.
Tyler: Yeah.
Josh Jackson: It's like, it's like, oh, this is a depiction of the future that's unlike any other
depiction of the future.
Tyler: It's like a perfectly fine future, you know, where it's like, it feels like a logical
heading for almost where we are now.
Josh Jackson: Yeah.
O'Neil: Interesting.
Josh Jackson: Where it's like, it's, it's not dystopian.
Tyler: But it called AirPods. Like, he talks to her on, like, Airpods in 2013.
Josh Jackson: Yeah, yeah, it's pretty nice. It's nice.
O'Neil: Real quick, while we're on the topic of her, where are we with AI currently? That should
have been one of the movie news things, but they did do.
Tyler: The, there was just the thing where they. Whatever. Ah, I listen. Until, until I don't
get a job because they're choosing AI, I'm not going to think about it.
Josh Jackson: I think with a lot of these, AI prompts, there's something to be said about the
craftsmanship, the taste of the artist.
O'Neil: Yes.
Josh Jackson: One of my good friends, a, guy named Brian Tang, he, he learned blender over the
pandemic, right. And he, I was really blown away with how fast he picked it up and also how good he
could make things look, because he's a cinematographer at heart, you know? And so he's not just
using blender, just he's using it and he's applying his taste to it, you know? And AI can give you
a taste, it can't make your taste, you know? So I'm like, I'm holding out to hope it also can't
iterate very well, you know?
O'Neil: Yeah, that's the problem.
Tyler: It's like things all kind of look.
O'Neil: The same and sound the same, too. Like, all the prompts, returns are always some vagary. I
use chat DPT a lot for googling these days, and it's just a lot of vagaries.
Josh Jackson: I think, when it gets integrated into the, system, you know, the workflow of artists.
We'll see how it goes then, you know, but we'll see, you know, I think, Yeah, I think there's a lot
to be scared of, but there's. I think there's a lot to be excited about as well. Yeah.
O'Neil: What's your second Pick?
Josh Jackson: All right. This is my hot take.
O'Neil: Oh, boy.
Josh Jackson: Oh, yeah.
Tyler: Here we go.
Josh Jackson: So, animated films, man. I'm a fan, man. I love animation. I work in animation. I'm
an animator. Yeah, that's base. That's my thing.
O'Neil: Frozen.
Josh Jackson: That's. That's how that's up there. Frozen. Actually. Frozen. Actually healed my
relationship with my dad.
O'Neil: Oh, wow.
Josh Jackson: That's a different story. But. But I'll, share that for you. Okay.
O'Neil: Yeah, we'll do that.
Tyler: We'll do that on the frozen episode.
Josh Jackson: Yeah.
Tyler: Rewatch, dude.
Josh Jackson: I'm gonna go toy story four.
O'Neil: Oh.
Josh Jackson: In my opinion.
O'Neil: Whoa.
Josh Jackson: The best toy story.
O'Neil: Okay, okay, okay, okay.
Josh Jackson: let me, let me give you a little few of the reasons, okay? Best looking. Best looking
toy story.
O'Neil: Yes.
Josh Jackson: And I think I always admire when, you know, everyone's making sequels upon sequels. I
was admire when they figure out what to do. If it's just like a pure, a solid movie. I'm like, I'm
like, that's pretty good. You know, you guys actually, like, I couldn't think of this, you know, if
you asked me to come of toy stuff, like, I have no idea. Ideas, you know?
O'Neil: it's a good iteration.
Josh Jackson: It's a good iteration. It's a good continuation of Woody's journey when, if you look
at Toy Story films as an analogy for parenthood, like, Toy Story three is sending your child off to
college. Toy story four is, what do you do when you're an empty nester? You know? So in, from that
perspective, that's actually.
O'Neil: A really good film.
Josh Jackson: Not a lot of films made about that, you know? And, I think, dude, I don't. Something
like Pixar films always get me. Like, when a Pixar film gets me at the beginning and the end, I'm
like, okay, it's gonna be good. So the opening scene where he, like, says, loses Bo peep, you know,
I was like, that was very well done. Yes, very well done. And at the end, when he says goodbye to
all his friends, I'm like, I could. I could. I think the only reason that gives me, like, that
shows is because that's. That's a stage of life that
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Josh Jackson: I think a lot of people have to go through, you know? And I don't know, it's just. It
was, for me, portrayed film, you know, and he's saying goodbye to his best friend, buzz Lightyear,
you know, and it's for a good reason. They're not just saying goodbye just because we're gonna
leave each other. Not like, Like, I think another film that did that was wreck it ralph to this
character said goodbye to. I'm like, you didn't really need to leave.
O'Neil: Yeah, but this one is like a.
Josh Jackson: Yeah, it's like, yeah, it's got me, man.
O'Neil: Yeah.
Josh Jackson: I'm not the biggest fan of, like, the Toy story three ending. It doesn't. It doesn't
get me.
Tyler: I'm with. Is better than toy story three, but it is not better than the first.
O'Neil: This is a Hollywood Junior take.
Josh Jackson: People are, like, crying at the end of Toy story three, right? He's like, oh, and
he's giving these toys. I'm like, good. He's a grown ass man, you know.
Tyler: It'S like, throw the fuck up.
Josh Jackson: What do you mean?
Tyler: That's funny?
Josh Jackson: Obviously, toy story two is huge, you know?
O'Neil: Yeah. So for me, it goes 1243.
Tyler: I have the same as Neil. You like one I've seen.
O'Neil: One is still the most mind blowing. Now, again, I was a child, and it was, like, mind
blowing. All the toys that's, like, that core Pixar. Like. Like, same with cars. Like, people shit
on cars, but, like, the cars having eyes in a mouth because it looks like they
have an eyes in a mouth, is fucking mind blowing. And for you to, like, throw that into animation,
and it's just like, if.
Tyler: We'Re counting movies like that, I watched as a small child, like, before I could remember
movies like what movie I've seen the most in my life. It's probably the first Toy Story movie,
because according to my mother, I would just point at the screen and say, woody. And then I would.
I watched it, like, three times a day, every day, for, like, four years.
O'Neil: We burnt out our vhs tape of toy Story.
Tyler: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
O'Neil: Great picks. Great, great takes.
Josh Jackson: Yeah, there's a lot I.
O'Neil: You're leaving a lot on the board.
Josh Jackson: But a lot of really good animated films. I just decided to take a hot pig. I was
like, I could choose any of a lot of these.
O'Neil: Yeah.
Josh Jackson: But I'm gonna go.
Tyler: I'm actually gonna go animated international next.
O'Neil: Okay.
Tyler: now, here's the question. Do I take an anime movie or should I be pretentious?
O'Neil: Yeah, you're gonna take in a better world that works. Representation.
Tyler: I mean, I was actually going to take. I was actually thinking about taking a separation,
which is,
O'Neil: I've not read that.
Tyler: An iranian film. We saw a commercial for it. They were showing a rerun of it. Remember the
movie about the, like, in that aspect ratio?
O'Neil: Oh, that's what.
Tyler: That's a separation. that they were showing in the original language. It's really great.
O'Neil: Okay.
Tyler: I am going to take Coco, though.
O'Neil: Yes.
Josh Jackson: Okay.
O'Neil: I would have been making local.
Tyler: yeah, I am gonna take.
O'Neil: That was my backup.
Josh Jackson: If that might have been one of the hardest I've ever cried in the theater.
O'Neil: That was what.
Tyler: Yeah, I Saw it with a big group of people.
O'Neil: I think I Saw it on my own first. And then I went and saw. I see.
Tyler: I.
O'Neil: So coco, Spider verse and Black Panther are the movies. I've seen them, like, in theaters
the most. I Saw Black Panther four times. I Saw Coco four times, and I Saw Spider versus five
times.
Josh Jackson: Beautiful.
Tyler: Coco is just a straight fucking banger of a movie. It fucks. it's really good.
O'Neil: This is really heart wrenching. My mom, I Saw it with my mom and she cried. yeah. An
absolute barn burner.
Tyler: Top five list of movies that won oscars. That fuck mad Coco.
Josh Jackson: Coco fucks.
O'Neil: I thought about.
Tyler: Yeah, I don't know. I thought about rango or inside out. inside out doesn't hit. Does not. I
don't. Everybody. That's another one where people love, like, cry. And I'm like, I actually haven't
seen. Also inside out.
Josh Jackson: I Saw inside out four times in theaters and. But at the time when it came out, I
really loved it. But I think over time, it's like. It's like, too on the nose. It's like, this is a
film about emotions.
O'Neil: Cry. How do you feel about inside out, too?
Tyler: Yes.
Josh Jackson: I'm not. I'm not. I'm not optimistic.
Tyler: I am concerned where they're like, I'm concerned that they're doing mental. Mental health
stuff.
O'Neil: Yeah.
Tyler: And I'm like, I get it. It's the logical.
O'Neil: Yes. The logical next step. But maybe wait until she's in it.
Tyler: I thought about taking. If I got first overall, taking parasite and international just as a
bit.
O'Neil: That'D be cool.
Tyler: That would have been insane things. I really wish we could have included, 2020 to now
because I've seen all those Internet.
O'Neil: Yeah, I think I've seen this year.
Tyler: Anatomy of the fall is gonna win fucking that movie. You wanna talk about a movie that fucks
anatomy of a fall? Very good.
O'Neil: Yeah, but. Yeah, but Coco. Coco's fucking sale.
Tyler: Yeah, Coco's. Listen, I wanna win less, more than I wanna be me. You know, I would take a
separation if I was being me.
O'Neil: Yeah.
Josh Jackson: go watch it.
O'Neil: Hey, everyone.
Tyler: Go watch a separation. It's a good movie. It's about an iranian family that has to
split up and come to different countries. And it's about. It's just good.
O'Neil: Wait, that's actually really good. I think I've seen the salesman in one of those studies
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O'Neil: class.
Tyler: Yeah, the salesman's good too. a lot of great iranian.
O'Neil: Okay, so it's my turn. I have two picks. four. Yeah, I'm gonna take, in best director. I'm
gonna take the artist. You foul.
Tyler: What a twist.
O'Neil: Here's my ARG. Have you seen the. Have you seen the artist?
Tyler: It's his only movie.
O'Neil: It's his only movie.
Josh Jackson: It's his best, best movie.
O'Neil: I nailed it.
Tyler: A first try.
O'Neil: Never again.
Tyler: One take, baby.
O'Neil: Do I think it should have won over some of these other movies? No, but talk about a core
O'Neil movie. This. I love, love, love metafiction. I love metafiction. And this is like the ER,
metaf. I mean, 2023. Talk about, a movie full of metafiction with american fiction with, you know,
killers, of the flower moon. Like the talking about and demonstrating the way we portray media. The
artist was like the first one of those that, for, like, full context backstory, for our higher
level production classes. Production, three in college, you, have to make a pitch, for like, what
you're gonna make your short about. And I was pitching this heavy meta film, and one of the first
recommendations I got was like, go watch the artist. One oscar. And at first I was like, black and
white, silent. But then when you actually start to think about, it's like, oh, they're actually
like, portraying it a forgotten era and then also, like, tying that into the way that they're
portraying the forgotten era. And then when it, you know, when he's having the nightmare and it's
all, there's a sequence, it's all silent for the majority of it. And then the character who's in
the silent film has a nightmare and he starts. See her sound, and you're like, what is going on?
And then, you know, the. The last final climactic scene is a talkie. Like, they.
They make the transition interesting. Okay. There's a nice little twist bit at the end.
Tyler: I fully thought you were gonna take shazel for la la land.
O'Neil: I.
Tyler: In a twist.
O'Neil: We'll talk. Fuck chazelle.
Josh Jackson: Yeah.
O'Neil: I ref. I would have taken life of pie.
Josh Jackson: I'm a la la land.
Tyler: I love England.
O'Neil: yeah, I mean, life of pie was good. And it's another one of those CGI things. I think this
a little ang Lee.
Tyler: To make the next avatar. Last airbender. Crashing tiger, hidden dragons.
Josh Jackson: His name. His name is.
Tyler: He did that. Animate his name. Animate. Crashing tiger, hidden dragon. Like, why is he not
doing that?
O'Neil: Yeah. I do love life of PI, but I think the artist for. If you're talking about, like,
making the building blocks for O'Neil and also the fact that, you know, direction is a super
important part of that.
Josh Jackson: I gotta check it out now.
O'Neil: Oh, for. Yeah, I'm good there. So I will be taking. For supporting. For supporting
performance.
Tyler: and Hathaway. No. Okay.
O'Neil: m. I have to pick some. Some tuckies. I think I'm gonna go with my queen, Lupita nyong'oh.
Tyler: Your slave. Yeah, that was my.
O'Neil: Twelve years a slave.
Tyler: That, was my other choice. Yeah.
O'Neil: It was between her and. I don't, I don't think anybody else is gonna pick this, but Octavia
Spencer for the help. I really love.
Tyler: I hate that movie.
O'Neil: You hate the help?
Tyler: Yeah.
O'Neil: Tyler, it's black history month. You can't be saying stuff like that. She shits in a pie,
and then it's so good.
Tyler: That's just, like, the most, like, Hillary Clinton coded neoliberal.
O'Neil: Yes, but it's also very funny.
Tyler: That is funny that she shits, but.
O'Neil: Lupin Younga's performance in this was fantastic. Fantastic. it's kind of a groundbreaking
performance. nomination and win, and this also, like, sets nipedia off and, like, shows her as the
rising star that she is. And then, you know, obviously, we get her. Everything she touches is gold.
At least the parts with her in it. so I'll take. I'll be taking Lupita in best supporting.
Tyler: The help has big green book energy.
O'Neil: A little bit, but not as bad as green book.
Tyler: It's not as bad as green book, but it's still pretty bad.
O'Neil: Yeah, I was. I was debating taking Marshall.
Tyler: Do you think when they pitched green book. They were like river reverse driving Miss Daisy.
O'Neil: I mean, that's, it's, that's what it is. It's based off of a book, though.
Tyler: But it's, that's what it is. It's like, you know, I'm excited for the driving Miss Daisy
sequel.
O'Neil: Driving fast and driving Miss Drive. Driving Mister Daisy driving, driving miss
Daisy.
Tyler: Furious fury road driving miss Daisy anyway. Oh, man. I just have actress and actor left.
Tyler: I can take actress first just so that actor can come last. just like the oscars. Actress
before actor. here's the problem. You guys picked my fourth and fifth options, so I have three
equally good choices on the board for me.
O'Neil: Really? Interesting. All right, I'm gonna see if I can land this particular plane.
Tyler: This is a real tough one. I'm down between two. there's one correct answer here, Tyler,
talking about, I think I'm going to take guys on vamp for a second while I decide.
O'Neil: What do you have left? What do you have?
Josh Jackson: I only
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Josh Jackson: have cinematography left and a wild card.
O'Neil: Cinematography, cinematography.
Josh Jackson: I was like, okay, all these films look amazing.
O'Neil: That's fair. I think. Listen, we're gonna put these up in like a pole style. If we're
gonna be honest. I think you're gonna get some shit for your toy story four take. but I respect the
ballsiness. And Tyler was too much of a coward to draft blade runner 2049 early, and so he showed
his hand in his cowardice. but I respect the ballsiness is what I'll say.
Josh Jackson: I forgot we were doing a poll. Basic.
O'Neil: Listen, if you look at my movies, it doesn't look great, but if you look at my actual slate
with my performers, I'm fucking killing it.
Josh Jackson: No, I'm pretty happy with my slate. maybe might not win me the poll, but I don't like
these.
Tyler: Fuck it. Let's have this conversation. I'm taking Emma Stone for la la land.
O'Neil: Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Oh.
Tyler: This one is for the content. This picks for the content. Oh, I was just to let you know
where I was, I was down between, that and Olivia Colman for the favorite.
O'Neil: And those are both the wrong Pick. And you got Meryl streep sitting right there, bud.
Tyler: iron lady sucks. That movie's boring and bad. I also was thinking about Jennifer Lawrence.
Yes, silver lining. I was also thinking, basically, actually, I ended up coming down to Emma Stone
and Jennifer Lawrence were kind of the two I was deciding between, but I said, but for the content,
let's talk about la la Land. Tell me why you boys
hate it.
O'Neil: it's a jazz movie, and the antagonist is a black man, Tyler. Strike one. Oh, and strike
two, because he's a legendary.
Tyler: He's not an antagonist. If you're clearly watching a different movie than me.
Josh Jackson: I think I just came into it with the wrong attitude because I loved whiplash so much,
and it's such a tight script. And I came into Lala, and I'm just like, wait. For the first half of
this, we're just like, singing and dancing, you know? I'm like, this is almost like the opposite of
whiplash. You know? I think my favorite scene, I. Again, also, I have. I, haven't seen La la Land
since I originally saw it in theaters, so my memory of it may be a little fuzzy. If I watch it
again, maybe I'm gonna be like, ah, it's pretty good. You know, the, only scene I really remember
liking upon my initial viewing was the argument scene where they get into a fight over dinner, and
there's a scene. The scene. I absolutely hate.
Tyler: Which one?
Josh Jackson: It's when Emma ended a movie where Emma Stone goes into, like, the casting thing.
Tyler: Her Oscar scene. Yeah.
Josh Jackson: And.
O'Neil: Yes, that's totally.
Josh Jackson: She's. Wait, are we talking about. Because she's.
Tyler: She's talking to directors and she slips into song.
Josh Jackson: Yes.
Tyler: And it's magical. And you guys have no souls.
Josh Jackson: I'm, more so talking about what happens right after, where the director gives.
They're like, yeah, we'll develop this, character with you. You know, where we'll do. And they give
her, like, every actor's, like, ideal. Like, job, you know?
Tyler: But that's not the movie for me. The movie about pursuing a career in arts and entertainment
and how you have to forego most other things in order to get that done.
Josh Jackson: I think. I think the reason. Okay, so this is interesting because that's a similar
theme in whiplash, right?
O'Neil: Yes, and yes.
Josh Jackson: I disagree.
Tyler: Babylon. Oh, and first man, Damien, Giselle, is like, if you want to be great, you have to
be tortured, basically.
Josh Jackson: Yeah.
O'Neil: One, I. Go ahead.
Josh Jackson: I heavily disagree with that theme. Yeah, I don't think you need to. If you throw
yourself, like. Like, it's not.
O'Neil: Yeah, I don't know, specific lens for this. Yeah, that's a white man's take. It's like, you
have to be the tortured artist in order to. You have to slit your wrists for cinema. like, no,
motherfuckers just make movies.
Josh Jackson: I love how there's so many, like, interviews with Christopher Nolan nowadays, where
he's like, I like fast and furious movies, you know? And he's like a normal ass dude with a family,
you know, I just. I think I inherently. I like, I love whiplash, even. And I inherently disagree
with the theme of it.
Tyler: You'Re like, this kid's ruined his fucking life.
O'Neil: Yeah, exactly.
Josh Jackson: It's so engaging and so. And I actually be, you know, living in LA and being
surrounded by filmmakers, I see so many people just try to give it their all and just abandon
everything for film, you know, for the. For their craft. And I'm just like, wait, actually being
like a human being actually makes you a better filmmaker and artist, you know, and having
relationships.
O'Neil: And if you're not, then you end.
Tyler: Up with, baby, you want to let me.
Josh Jackson: You guys, let's let you defend.
O'Neil: first of all, as far as.
Tyler: Doing it, Ryan Gosling goes, he's very clearly like a prick, and everyone's like, my brother
in Christ. You need to get over your weird obsession with old jazz. Like, that's in the text of the
movie. They're all like, he's clearly, like, kind of a dick, but kind of wins at the end.
O'Neil: And that's the problem.
Tyler: Kind of. Not really. He just has a jazz club and like, you know, it's like the antagonist is
like, hey, my guy, it's, 2016.
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Tyler: Could you, like, get, like, what are you talking about? Fucking Charlie Parker, you old ass
man. Like. Like, that's. Which is clearly a stand in for Chazelle with movies where he's like, I
love the sound of music. And then everyone, it's. Everyone's that.
That's the student studios being like, you got to make modern movies. Okay, hang on. Let me talk
about what I like. I'm going to stop defending against your argument. I'm going to talk about why.
Josh Jackson: And you've probably seen. Seen it more often than we have.
Tyler: The first scene is one of the best musical scenes. A thousand percent, hundred percent is, a
banger.
O'Neil: It's absolutely one of the best musical scenes, I think, of all time. Yes.
Josh Jackson: And I love how they, like, added that in almost after the fact because they realize
if you just watched a movie and then all of a sudden Emma stone starts singing, you're like, what?
You know? So it's a great one is one of those decisions, creative decisions. We were like, they
added it in when they. To fix something, and it became, like, amazing.
Tyler: Yeah. Also, I Saw this movie when I was 16, and listen, it's embarrassing now. It's
embarrassing. It's not quite there anymore for me. But, like, when I was 16, I Saw this movie. I
walked out of the theater and said, that's what I want to do. I want to be a filmmaker.
Josh Jackson: Yeah.
Tyler: Like, for me, that sort of inspirational core of the movie, it meant something to me when I
was. Was younger. And on a certain level, it still does for me, even if now that I sit. No, no,
that's the thing. That's the funny thing is I hold two thoughts in my head. On the one hand, yes, I
get the disagreements, but also, it's a beautiful achievement. The song that. Just. The chemistry
between Emma Stone and Ryan Gosling in that one scene where they're walking down the hill and they
sing. They have that little tap dance song.
Josh Jackson: The.
Tyler: The sound of music stuff or the. And the, you know, the singing in the rain stuff is, like,
top tier, like, that type. And I. And I don't know if you guys even like old musicals. I
love old musicals. Like, I love. I like.
Josh Jackson: I do love singing in the ring.
Tyler: You know?
Josh Jackson: It's great.
O'Neil: Mine is like, more. Yeah, sure.
Josh Jackson: Yeah. I will say a lot of. Most m of my friends are heartbroken when I told him I
don't like la la land, because a lot of my friends.
Tyler: No, but that's the thing. I understand how it could be annoying. And I think, listen, what
you guys consider la la land, that's Babylon for me. When I watch Babylon, I'm like, I see the good
parts in this, but why don't we take it down a notch, my guy?
O'Neil: You know what's fucked up, though? This is a GEN Z! GEN Z! GEN Z Podcast, and you picked
the m most millennial ass fucking movie. We have a millennial here. You picked the most fucking
millennial ass movie.
Tyler: Look, I could have picked Jennifer Lawrence, and we could have had a conversation about
mental health, but instead, we get. Get to talk about la la Land and magic at the cinema. I think
I'm also the only person among the three of us. And even when Olivia's here, I'm the only person
who, like, deep down in their core is, like, movies, cinema. It's magic. Like, we finished the
taste of things, and I was like, this is the most excited I've been at, coming out of a movie ever.
I feel alive. And he was like,
fucking.
O'Neil: It was good food, literally.
Tyler: I am the person where it's like, you know, I'm not, like, I need to kill myself and
sacrifice everything to be a filmmaker. But, like, there is part of me where I'm like, there's
nothing else I want to do. There's nothing I care about more.
Josh Jackson: Oh, yeah. that's beautiful.
Tyler: And that's, then La Lang is the heart of that. And Emma Stone is very good in that movie.
she is my first crush. My first celebrity crushes.
Josh Jackson: Emerson. She is. She has been, she's been on a row recently.
Tyler: Yeah. Emerson's killing it. Ah, yeah. Let's, let's finish this draft. We talked about la la
land for a long time.
Josh Jackson: That was great.
Tyler: Listen, I picked it for the content.
Josh Jackson: I think I need a rewatch la la land. I feel like maybe I Saw it once and again. I Saw
under the guise of, like, I'm seeing this guy directed whiplash. I love whiplash, you know?
Tyler: And he just, I would say rewatch it because it's one of those movies where the
bad stuff in it isn't great. There's issues with it where you're like, that's a weird take, but,
like, the, the opening sequence, a lovely night song, the, the party sequence right after the
opening sequence where Emma Stone goes to the party, like the someone in a crowd song. Incredible.
The cinematography. I almost took this for cinematography over Blade Runner. Like it is, it was my
second choice.
Josh Jackson: and the ending scene is a very bold, very, the ending scene is.
Tyler: The umbrellas of Cherbourg, Damien, Giselle, I will be honest, Damien Chazelle fully ripped
that ending off from a french movie called the Umbrella of Cherberg.
O'Neil: Listen, listen, as an, as an artist and creator, the first thing they tell you is steal,
steal, steal. I'm perfectly fine with him stealing things. It's literally, for me, it delivered so
hot at the beginning and then just kind of kept on taking steps down, and then, for me, I was at
such a low point by the ending.
Josh Jackson: One of my favorite analogies for stealing is, like, if you dig up, your, friend's
grave, you're seen as, like, creep. But if you dig up, like, an ancient egyptian, you know, you're
seeing as a fantastic Indiana Jones
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Josh Jackson: still from, still from old.
Tyler: Still from old stuff. That's fair.
Josh Jackson: Okay. Cinematography.
Tyler: Yeah.
O'Neil: What are you picking, man?
Josh Jackson: A lot of good stuff.
Tyler: I took la la land off the board.
Josh Jackson: You took Blade Runner. I think the Blade Runner was my top.
Tyler: Someone's got to take Birdman. Come on. The movie is cine. That's just what it is. The
movie. That's the entire movie, dude.
Josh Jackson: I think this is not, I think I'm gonna go Wally fister, inception.
Tyler: Yeah. Fucking.
Josh Jackson: Just.
O'Neil: I respect you. I respect you.
Josh Jackson: I think I'm like, wally Fist and Chris Nolan, they need to team up again, man. I miss
when he shot Nolan's films, you know?
O'Neil: I mean, it was, it was, yeah.
Josh Jackson: It was like, I think Nolan's films have, like, the current ones, his most
recent ones, they had. There's an artsiness to it, you know?
Tyler: I love Hoitama.
Josh Jackson: Yeah, he's great. He is fantastic. But I think Pfister just brought, like, a
sleekness to it, you know, a very, like, I don't know. And I do love. This is almost like throwing
him in the pile. I'm just like, this is almost me throwing, Nolan in the pile as.
Tyler: Well, because I'm just like, yeah, basically retired.
Josh Jackson: I was just like, what has he done, man? My friends, inception.
Tyler: And then he shot my favorite movie of all time, moneyball. And then he shot, a bunch of a
music video for Paul McCartney, and then he shot the Dark Knight Rises. And he didn't shoot
anything for six years until 2018, when he shot Taco Bell, web of fries, two franchise wars, and he
has not shot anything.
O'Neil: That is art.
Tyler: Look at this IMDb art. Dark Knight, prestige, Dark Knight, inception, moneyball, Paul
McCartney, Dark Knight rises, Taco Bell.
O'Neil: Are we sure he wasn't, like, canceled or something?
Tyler: He's not even that old. He's nice. Yeah, he's like, what, he's 60 something he made.
Josh Jackson: Well, he went into directing, right, with that Johnny Depp movie. I can't.
Tyler: Oh, he became a director, and so he directed.
Josh Jackson: And he also directed, the fly, the tick series for Amazon.
O'Neil: Yeah.
Josh Jackson: Which is so interesting.
Tyler: Griffin Newman.
Josh Jackson: I already watched a couple episodes. Episodes of that. But such a cartoony thing. But
it looks like a Chris Nolan.
Tyler: Like, did you know he directed those Matthew McConaughey Lincoln commercials that everyone
made fun of where he's, like, sitting in the. And he's talking about a Lincoln sitting here. And
then that's why you should buy a Lincoln.
Josh Jackson: Yeah, it's interesting because, I mean, like, it's interesting because he was a
cinematographer so long, and he had that itch to go to directing, I guess, you know, and he made
the.
Tyler: All cinematographers have it, can confirm. Yeah, I want the credit. Part of me wants to
credit.
O'Neil: yeah, a little. You go in there, guys.
Tyler: Cinematography, like, background is insane. He didn't make a movie with over a five on IMDb
until he started directing, until he started working, until he did memento. He has, like, 80
movies, like, made for tv movies and, like, video stuff. Gives me hope, you know?
Josh Jackson: Yeah. Do I have to pick my wild card.
O'Neil: Yes. And you have your last one, which.
Tyler: Is wild card guys, coming from another category.
Josh Jackson: Yeah, I'm gonna take some.
O'Neil: There's a lot on the board, so.
Josh Jackson: Yeah, yeah, there's a lot.
O'Neil: Go ahead and draft rango.
Tyler: If anyone's rangos on the board. and Hathaway's on the board.
O'Neil: There's so much.
Tyler: You can take another actor and try and fuck me. little women for costume design.
Josh Jackson: I'm thinking I'm gonna take another animated film. Just so, so I look better to the
polls.
O'Neil: toy story three.
Tyler: You should take a separation.
Josh Jackson: I am gonna go. I think I'm gonna go. Zootopia slaps.
Tyler: I was about to say Zootopia's underrated movie.
O'Neil: I mean, no, no, don't get me wrong. I don't think it's a bad movie. But of the movies that
are still on the board.
Tyler: I probably would have taken rango. But that's just me.
Josh Jackson: I like frozen. Personal. Actually. Should I choose a personal thing? Because frozen
is personal.
O'Neil: Draft with your heart, man.
Tyler: That's what I feel like. Zootopia. Better than frozen. Pixie.
Josh Jackson: I think frozen is not like the best movie, but it is. Yeah.
Tyler: If you could change your faith, would ya?
Josh Jackson: What did brave. I remember brave one over something. And I was like, was that brave
one over wreck it Ralph? I like.
O'Neil: Oh, yeah, I would take.
Josh Jackson: I would say it's amazing.
O'Neil: So which one are you taking?
Josh Jackson: I'm m ghostopia.
O'Neil: Okay.
Josh Jackson: Yeah.
O'Neil: All right.
Josh Jackson: Yeah, it's, a solid, occasional rewatch.
O'Neil: Good. First, first acab movie. And then reverse acab movie. Sort of something about the
police state, but coexistence, I guess. All right, Tyler, your last Pick.
Tyler: I'm gonna do the same thing you did for DiCaprio. And pick an actor for not their best
performance. And take Daniel day Lewis for Lincoln.
O'Neil: I knew you were going to do that. I knew that from the very beginning you were going to do
that.
Tyler: Well,
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Tyler: it wasn't. DiCaprio was actually my first choice.
O'Neil: Okay.
Tyler: I could take Casey Affleck for Manchester by the sea. But I don't want to pick Casey
Affleck. And I don't like Joker, so that's.
O'Neil: Crazy, because Joker was my number two. If you would have taken DiCaprio, I would have
taken.
Tyler: It's a good performance. I just don't like that movie. All that much talk, about a movie
that steals everything it does. Yeah, it's just a scorsese. It's just like a b plus scorsese
imitation.
Josh Jackson: He gonna direct the joker at some point?
Tyler: Yeah, he was, and then he backed out. Fucking crazy. Now he's just making a 90 minutes movie
about Jesus. Have you heard this? Wait, he's making a movie titled Jesus?
Josh Jackson: Oh, that's amazing. I'm so excited.
O'Neil: Is this the sequel to the passion of the Christ?
Tyler: He has confirmed it is 90 minutes long. He has set himself a limit. It has to be 90
minutes.
O'Neil: That's gonna be the craziest experience. I'm gonna get blasted before I go see that movie.
I might come out a changed man.
Tyler: Lincoln. Not a fine movie. Daniel day. Yeah. Spielberg. Daniel Dayloo is one of the best.
Danny Lee Lewis.
O'Neil: No, no, no. Is that Spielberg's only win this decade?
Tyler: Yes.
Josh Jackson: Wow.
O'Neil: Crazy.
Tyler: Did he, He might have gotten a. Oh, visual effects for ready player one. Yeah. Actually, I
think that might have gotten beaten by Star wars that year. I think he was definitely nominated.
No, he won for Bridge of spies. Mark Rylance won best supporting actor for Bridge of Spies. Yeah.
Josh Jackson: It's. Which is also a fine movie. Like, like he.
O'Neil: He's. Oh, yeah.
Josh Jackson: Let leave some room for the other people, you know?
O'Neil: Yeah. I mean, he's fine, but it's still crazy. Like the greatest director of the nineties.
Tyler: Director of all time.
O'Neil: And, Of the nineties and eighties.
Tyler: Are you kidding me? Eighties and nineties?
O'Neil: eighties, nineties and aughts. I'm saying. Do you like LinkedIn Lincoln as a movie?
Tyler: It's fine.
O'Neil: Okay.
Tyler: I think it's. I don't think it's terrible. I don't think it's bad. I think it's a pretty by
the numbers Lincoln biopic. And it's Daniel Day Lewis. It's the greatest actor of all time. Just
cooking.
O'Neil: Yeah.
Tyler: It's not his best role. There will be blood or age of temptation are probably his two best
roles. But it's like, that's the thing you picked. The revenant is DiCaprio's like, fifth best
movie. This is Daniel Day Lewis's fifth best movie. You know, I'm picking him for.
I'm picking him for saying, you drank my milkshake. I drink it up and there will be blood.
O'Neil: Yes, yes, yes. Okay.
Tyler: so.
Josh Jackson: Yeah.
O'Neil: All right. And I have my last one. You guys ran through my shit.
Josh Jackson: We got.
O'Neil: You guys are gonna take any of this?
Josh Jackson: Yeah.
Tyler: What are you taking?
O'Neil: I have. I have two pics, and I think I'm going with green book.
Josh Jackson: No.
Tyler: That would have made me, like, no.
O'Neil: I think I have to go Birdman. I think you have to go Birdman. Because if you're talking. It
was between Birdman and Spotlight. Spotlight is kind of an important movie to me, but I think if
you're talking about just the 2010s, in general, Birdman is the only superhero movie that gets a
real recognition. and it's an interesting artifact of the 2010s. the director, Alejandro Inoritu,
is kind of a waning star at this point. Bardo was so ill
received. especially because Bardo, which is like, his almost self flagellating movie that came
out. Was it last year or two years ago?
Tyler: It was last year.
O'Neil: Last year. It's sort of a self flagellating movie. But he did all that stuff in Birdman,
and it was also a sort of critique on the superhero effication of.
Tyler: That I'm without you. I'm not an in uretu guy. I'm a, In fact, I think he's. I don't know. I
don't want to talk. I don't want to talk shit. He's clearly an incredible director.
O'Neil: Yeah.
Tyler: Like, he's not. It's hard to look at the list and be like, any of these movies are actively
bad. Like, they're all very good.
O'Neil: Yeah.
Tyler: He just doesn't. His work just doesn't speak to me personally as far as, like,
O'Neil: It also sort of highlights my connection with mexican filmmakers, too, because, like, ah,
another one of his movies, Amoros Peros, is like one of those crazy, like, I can't believe they
made a movie about this and it got, like, big acclaim.
Tyler: Yeah. I mean, Cuaron's best movie is probably e two mama Tambien, right?
O'Neil: Yeah.
Josh Jackson: Whoa.
Tyler: Or children of men.
O'Neil: Children of men. I would say children of men.
Tyler: For me, it's children of men.
Josh Jackson: I have a funny story about Birdman. My uncle is, like, third build in the cast.
O'Neil: Oh, wait, wait.
Tyler: Really? Yeah.
Josh Jackson: But he only appears. Cause I actually haven't seen this movie.
Tyler: It's just all Michael Keaton and Emma Stone.
O'Neil: Yeah.
Josh Jackson: It's a one take. And. And the way they list the cast is in, order of appearance. And
so she's. When he's the grocer. He's the asian grocer at the very beginning of the film.
Tyler: That's funny.
O'Neil: So I haven't seen this movie, since college, like,
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O'Neil: freshman year, probably.
Josh Jackson: Let me see if it's still the case. But I remember we would look at IMDb, and it was
like, michael Keaton, Emma Stone, Kenshin and I was like, holy. How did he get there, man? Yeah,
let me see if it's still up there or if they changed it like they rightfully should.
O'Neil: yeah, it's just. It's a good highlight for the decade. Like, if you're talking about 2010s,
you're talking about superheroes, and, you know, Birdman is theoretically a superhero.
Josh Jackson: Yeah, it's still that way. The cast on IMDb is Michael Keane, Emma Stone and Ken.
Shit, he's the gross. He's up there, man.
Tyler: it was also shot by I mean, I should mention SDP is shot by Emmanuel Lubezki, who, like,
had.
O'Neil: The craziest run of the 20.
Tyler: He's your favorite cinematographer's. Favorite cinematographer. The craziest run of all
time. Chibo, he's. It's like him and deacons are like, the two. The goats.
Josh Jackson: Yeah.
O'Neil: You know, especially the 2010s, definitely, which is why we definitely couldn't have done
that. If you take the. The cinematographer.
Tyler: Yeah. That is off the board because that's half of them. Although none of us took
a. None of us took Lubezky. Not a single one of us.
O'Neil: Yeah. I mean, I took Birdman.
Josh Jackson: I think I would have if I wasn't just like.
Tyler: I just any, like.
Josh Jackson: I just liked inception. I just like.
O'Neil: I respect your draft. Let's go ahead and read off our, drafts.
Josh Jackson: Let's do it.
O'Neil: Josh, you want to hit us off with your. It's in the taken tab.
Josh Jackson: So, for best picture, parasite. best director, gravity. Alfonso Karan. best actress,
brie Larson. Best actor, what did I choose? Colin Firth. Yeah. Okay, I hope. I don't know if people
are gonna afford for that. Best cinematography, Wally Pfister. Best supporting, JK Simmons,
whiplash. Best animated toy. story four. Let's go. Screenplay with her. And then wild card, I threw
on Zootopia because I love that movie.
O'Neil: Tyler.
Tyler: I have moonlight in best picture. Best director, I have Guillermo del Toro for the shape of
water. Best actress, I have Emma Stone for la la Land. Best actor, I have Daniel Day Lewis for
Lincoln. Best cinematography, I have Blade runner 2049, shot by my guy, Raj Deakins. Best,
supporting actor, I have Christoph waltz for Django Unchained. Best animated foreign, I have Coco.
best screenplay, I have the social network. And for wild card, I have Mad Max Fury Road.
O'Neil: What a boy list movie. What a fucking boy movie. This is a letterbox ass list you've got
right here. Jesus Christ.
Tyler: I think, Coco, I'm realizing that now you've got you. But you know what's fucked is. You
know what's fucked is the Oscars. All of our list could be interpreted as a boy ass list.
O'Neil: That's fair. That is fair.
Tyler: It's the Oscars.
Josh Jackson: Yeah, that's a good point.
O'Neil: for myself, O'Neil Henry, I picked, for best picture, Birdman, or the unexpected virtue of
ignorance by Ohano Inaritu. for best director, I picked the artist by Michael Haza. yeah, everyone
pronounce it Hazanovicius. For best actress, Natalie Portman in Black Swan. For best actor,
Leonardo DiCaprio in the revenant. For best cinematography, Alfonso Coron's Roma. For best
supporting, I paid Lupita Nyonga for twelve years a slave. Best animated, foreign film, I picked
Spider man into the spider Verse. You could say it's a foreign film, sort of. It's
interdimensional. For best screenplay,
I picked get out. And for my wild card, I picked Black Panther for its win in production design.
Josh Jackson: Amazing.
O'Neil: How do we feel about our picks? Anything you would redo, anything you would trade.
Tyler: I want to look at the supporting.
Josh Jackson: We all have category. I would say it's gonna be an interesting,
Tyler: I kind of wish I did. I picked a separation over Coco and just sort of so bought into the
bit more. I should have sold and sold the bit a little harder, but it's fine.
O'Neil: I. Some things that went undrafted, we talked about a lot, but rango, man, what a fucking
wild shot. We probably inside out. I mean, there's another argument you can make about, like, how
it's, you know, a great, superhero movie set.
Josh Jackson: I only, I'm not a hater of big hero six, but because it, well, won instead of the
Lego movie, I mean, I cannot. I cannot.
Tyler: Can I shout out to, You know what I should have picked in wild card instead of Mad Max was,
You can take. You could have taken little women for costume design.
Josh Jackson: Oh, yeah.
Tyler: but that's the problem. If you're picking it for costume design, you're not picking it for
screenplay or acting, which is what it's actually good for.
O'Neil: I mean, the. The wild card is.
Tyler: So what if I wanted to make my list boy coded.
O'Neil: Yeah.
Tyler: Go to fake little one, but that one's good. Same for, ex machina was available for special
effects. Oh, yeah. I love ex machina by Alex Garland.
Josh Jackson: Damn. Oh, damn. Maybe I should.
O'Neil: Oh, one of my. If Tyler would have absolutely fucked me and took in black panther for his
wild card, I would have, pivoted and taken Blackkklansman
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O'Neil: for adapted screenplay. The biggest. That was probably the biggest snub of that year
because it should have been.
Tyler: Blacklan's was probably the best movie that year.
O'Neil: Yeah, it should have been black picture or Roma gets picture. And that's my hot take.
Tyler: Is that spike Jones or Spike Jones's? That's, Spike Lee. Like, speak. The Spike Lee's
second, best movie over.
O'Neil: What are you saying? His first?
Tyler: His first is,
O'Neil: But, yeah, Blackkklansman not. Not winning anything besides a.
Tyler: Do the right.
O'Neil: Do the right thing. Yes, do the right thing. is absolutely insane. Beats the shit out of
green book. You know what it was, though? It was the trump fatigue, I think, really played against
it. Because that end thing, that end sequence where you see the protesters and everything, it's
like, God damn, my mom was literally bawling in the theater. Like, couldn't leave for like, a good
20 minutes just because of how crazy that was. Josh, any other things that, sort of stuck out that
you wish you would have?
Josh Jackson: I mean, if I.
O'Neil: Would you regret not changing?
Josh Jackson: I totally forgot about the VFX winners. I mean. I mean, I used to do vfX, as my
freelance vFx for my. For work. So I am, I totally forgot about, like, all these winners. maybe I
might have chosen, Did someone already take life of PI for anything?
O'Neil: No, that was the thing.
Josh Jackson: I would have taken maybe life of pie for VFX just cause, I mean. I mean, the story,
the narrative behind that VFX company was just tragic. You know, they win and they bankrupt right
away. You know, I'm just like, come on. You know? And they tried to call attention to the problems
industry and doesn't, look like it's really gotten that much fix. And now AI is just probably gonna
get exasperated.
O'Neil: Well, the VFX have unionized.
Josh Jackson: Yeah.
O'Neil: The VFX houses have unionized the workers.
Tyler: What are the best supportings we missed?
O'Neil: highlights christian bale for the fighter. as I mentioned, I was between, Lupita and
Octavia Spencer for the help. Anne Hathaway could have been taken. You could have gotten your
favorite actor of all time, Jared letter Viola Davis, which is, she won for the fences, but, like,
there are so many other movies she should have won for.
Tyler: Agreed.
O'Neil: and then Marshal Lee for, Moonlight m. Or, also Sam.
Tyler: Rockwell won for three billboards. And that's not his best movie by far.
O'Neil: Oh, also Brad Pitt for once upon.
Tyler: A time, in Hollywood, I thought about taking Brad Pitt. I do love that movie. That's pretty
good.
Josh Jackson: You know what?
Tyler: Maybe that's actually. I'd put that over Django. Maybe Django is actually four for me.
O'Neil: Yeah.
Josh Jackson: Yeah.
Tyler: I love once upon a time in Hollywood.
O'Neil: All right, well, Josh, thank you.
Josh Jackson: So much for having me, guys. This was so much fun. Yes, yes, of course.
Tyler: You know, you can come back in six years when we do the 2020.
O'Neil: But where can people find you? Where can they see your content?
Josh Jackson: Yeah, I guess I do a cartoon called Tubby Nugget on, on social media. Yeah. So I
guess it's hubbynugget on Instagram and TikTok. So, yeah, that's, if you want to see some,
animation, I'm a big animation fan. Love it.
O'Neil: Thank you so much for joining us for another, episode of Hollywood Junior. And
as we say at the end of every episode, I want to make movies. Mom.
Josh Jackson: I love that. That's awesome.
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